If only there were a protocol for distribution of MIME messages across a distributed network of computers. Alas. We may never find a solution that is not tied to a specific vendor.
NNTP?
yup.
Google Groups has been left to die
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Re: Google Groups has been left to die
#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
I believe the subtext of that comment is that they feel it can't be "left to die" as Groups is too important in the ecosystem.
Yes, but for those purposes it doesn't matter if the email features are left to die, such as the monospace fonts that don't render or the message read/unread status that's flaky.
I find it surprising that people use the groups webapp as a way to read the email. Isn't your email client more convenient?
Disclaimer: I'm a Googler, but never beem responsible for anything close to Groups.
Re: Google Groups has been left to die
#233Google acts like it's suffering from ADHD.
Re: Google Groups has been left to die
#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
I quite frankly don't care if the government knows what porn I watch. I'm really tired of this puritanical-inspired take on privacy. Always the same examples. Freezing assets is completely different, but I don't see how that's relevant in the context. You're just waving the vague feeling that government is this evil omnipotent being.
> I quite frankly don't care if the government knows what porn I watch. I'm really tired of this puritanical-inspired take on privacy. The thing is, invasive acts against civic freedoms tend to be started going against sex workers or be justified with sexuality/morals. Just look at Florida and the book bans or how sex work is criminalized in a lot of countries, including wide parts of the US. Why should I trust a gov…
Many years ago I visited Dachau, truly an eye-opening experience. I'm certain many Germans did care what was happening but they were quickly silenced or intimidated, ultimately powerless to stop the horrific actions of the government. I do agree that governments do not always act in the interests of citizens. Often enough there's little basis for trusting officials or the bureaucracies that rule everywhere.
Re: Google Groups has been left to die
#235Earlier quoted context omitted.
> There must be a way. Why not have freedom in social media again? Because any kind of social media, especially when it allows binary assets, will be abused by CSAM and piracy spreaders, by Holocaust deniers, by scammers, by spammers shilling dick enlargement pills, questionably "legal" drugs, questionable dietary supplements or all kinds of other stuff, by trolls bullying people right up to suicide "for the lulz", o…
I don't agree. First recall all the crazy, dangerous stuff that spread on twitter/FB/yt/etc. ISIS, for example. Proud boys, other stuff. Second, consider Wikipedia. Freer than almost anything web, and THE juiciest target in narrative and informational war's. It's had far fewer major disasters than any of the major commercials. Held up very well. Runs on Reddit is, meanwhile and example of a lot of things. The variety…
I am not sure Wikipedia is a social network, in the sense that most users aren't there to have discussions or earn followers or do other typical social network things. Also, Wikipedia is very much moderated.
Wikipedia is unlike the original Wikiwiki Web (https://wiki.c2.com/) which had discussion threads on the same page as articles, and feels more like a social network. On this page:
https://wiki.c2.com/?WhyWikiWorks
it explains that things work because it's easy to roll back to the previous version, a feature that is shared by Wikipedia.
Re: Google Groups has been left to die
#236Google Groups has survived 22 years. How many self-hosted Discourse forums can say the same? If you're working on a new, small side-project like a new formal evaluator, are you going to want to spend your limited administrative bandwidth onboarding new contributors, responding to feature suggestions, talking to users, etc, or are you going to want to spend it trying to wrangle self-hosted forum administration and fig…
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Re: Google Groups has been left to die
#237Google Groups has survived 22 years. How many self-hosted Discourse forums can say the same? If you're working on a new, small side-project like a new formal evaluator, are you going to want to spend your limited administrative bandwidth onboarding new contributors, responding to feature suggestions, talking to users, etc, or are you going to want to spend it trying to wrangle self-hosted forum administration and fig…
Yahoo! Groups lasted 19 years. I co-admin a large group that had to find a new home when it was killed off. We went to a third party (groups.io) that accepts money in exchange for services. Will that have longevity? No idea, but it's at least preferable to trusting [insert big tech co]'s benevolence in keeping a service (that they seemingly don't care about) running.
FWIW, shroomery.org dates back to at least 1999. Thats about 24 years.
Re: Google Groups has been left to die
#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
At least the last time I looked, Usenet spam was so lazy that it was pretty easy to filter: the exact same ads posted again and again (filter the article title), or schizophrenics posting under the same username 100 times a day (filter the name). Usenet clients made it pretty easy, once you learned the right commands, to instantly shitcan all future messages which matched [sender/title/some string in the body/etc.] U…
The vast bulk of USENET spam is arriving /from/ google groups. A very effective spam filter is to simply killfile anything with an @google.groups message id. Sadly, that also killfiles the few real posters who use GG, so if one wants to continue to see them, one has to add them as overrides to the general "kill GG" filter.
Add to the fun GFoogle Groups have stopped carrying some groups because they had too much spam. As others noted much of it was coming from google groups itself, if only it had the spam filters other usenet providers had.
Re: Google Groups has been left to die
#239We use Google Groups for a non-profit I'm involved with and it works well. Not sure on a replacement that will work well for us yet.
This is one of many free replacements for google groups. I have been using that for years. https://www.newsgroupreviews.com/eternal-september.html
Not exactly it does newsgroups only which is a small part of Goole groups.
Most of Google Groups is mailing lists which can just be created unlike a newsgroup.
Re: Google Groups has been left to die
#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm still a daily gmane user, thankfully you're mistaken and it's still alive and well, just nntp only (news.gmane.io)! I honestly don't know what I would do if it did die, it's such a large part of how I use the internet.
I'll check things out again later. At some point I remember things getting unstable and not being able to post messages (this was when the original owner was giving up).
Gmane nntp access still works and I don't think has had any issues.
The web interface to gmane has gone (due to self admitted errors by the original owner)