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Re: Google Groups has been left to die

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Post by nocommandline »

scottfr wrote: post #44

Google Groups is heavily used within Google's ecosystem. Specifically it is: - a system for managing group-based access for Google Workspace users, e.g. share a Google Doc with a group to give all members access - a system for managing group-based access to Google Cloud Platform resources, e.g. share a BigQuery table with a Google Group to give all group members access to it. - a simple way for Google Workspace users…

Some of them have migrated away from Google Groups

Example - Google App Engine group has moved away from Google Groups to Google Cloud Community [1]

1. https://groups.google.com/g/google-appengine

Re: Google Groups has been left to die

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Post by pwg »

floren wrote: post #66
haolez wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with USENET is spam. Moderation can be a burden. I suppose Google has some systems in place to mitigate this.

At least the last time I looked, Usenet spam was so lazy that it was pretty easy to filter: the exact same ads posted again and again (filter the article title), or schizophrenics posting under the same username 100 times a day (filter the name). Usenet clients made it pretty easy, once you learned the right commands, to instantly shitcan all future messages which matched [sender/title/some string in the body/etc.] U…

The vast bulk of USENET spam is arriving /from/ google groups.

A very effective spam filter is to simply killfile anything with an @google.groups message id.

Sadly, that also killfiles the few real posters who use GG, so if one wants to continue to see them, one has to add them as overrides to the general "kill GG" filter.

Re: Google Groups has been left to die

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Post by madmax108 »

It's honestly scary for some of these old-school Google products that have become vast stores of knowledge.

Besides Google Groups, I worry a lot about the future of Blogger/Blogspot. I personally have a blog that I have maintained from 2007-08 and I often worry about Google just wiping off a part of my internet presence (my own little corner of the web). Google has pretty much left Blogspot to die for better half of the last decade.

And speaking unselfishly, I often find blogger/blogspot blogs on obscure tech topics (usually with the default blogspot template) and I worry how much info we'll just lose to the void if/when Google decides to pull the plug (even with a grace-period, I'm sure most folks wouldn't bother to move this data).

Really shows the value of archival services on the internet and why we need to ensure they can function over time!

Re: Google Groups has been left to die

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Post by lucumo »

jmclnx wrote: post #7

As someone who uses a "real" usenet site and reader, cannot wait until google groups is gone. One of the many issues is "comp.lang.c++" items from google is being sent to "comp.lang.c" because a change google made cannot handle the "++". The sad thing is we may loose the history that came from dejanews, I was one of the many people who were very upset when dejanews was bought by google. No surprise it morphed into th…

> The sad thing is we may loose the history that came from dejanews,

I'm actually quite happy with that. I was on Usenet as an imprudent teenager. I'm sure there's stuff I posted that I don't want associated with me now.

Also, possibly some stuff that could associate this nickname with my real name, and since there's also stuff on HN I don't want associated with me.

Re: Google Groups has been left to die

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Post by mschuster91 »

justeleblanc wrote: post #113
mschuster91 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Which is why I have a conspiracy theory about why conspiracy theorists are against "digital ID". Even if you're not a tinfoil hat wearer, "digital ID" projects are fraught with issues: - private ones can instantly and permanently revoke your access for whatever reason they believe . Facebook, Google and Twitter have shown that often enough. Or they can go out of business like many OpenID providers which is even wor…

I quite frankly don't care if the government knows what porn I watch. I'm really tired of this puritanical-inspired take on privacy. Always the same examples. Freezing assets is completely different, but I don't see how that's relevant in the context. You're just waving the vague feeling that government is this evil omnipotent being.

> I quite frankly don't care if the government knows what porn I watch. I'm really tired of this puritanical-inspired take on privacy.

The thing is, invasive acts against civic freedoms tend to be started going against sex workers or be justified with sexuality/morals. Just look at Florida and the book bans or how sex work is criminalized in a lot of countries, including wide parts of the US. Why should I trust a government with my porn when it deems it necessary to determine under which conditions two adults can have consensual sex?

> Freezing assets is completely different, but I don't see how that's relevant in the context. You're just waving the vague feeling that government is this evil omnipotent being.

I'm German. My ancestors abused innoucuous data registers to have precise lists on who was to be transported off to gas chambers, less than a hundred years ago. I live less than 20km from the KZ Dachau, where the Nazis murdered tens of thousands of people. That gives a pretty harsh view on just how evil governments can become if citizens do not care.

Re: Google Groups has been left to die

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Post by kerpotgh »

dalbasal wrote: post #60

Looking back, it's quite surprising how stagnant, in some sense, the social media space has become. How centralised and how... lame. The big hitters really did pillage and burn. Now, between moderation norms becoming increasingly sensitive and the hard turn the web took away from open... It's hard to see any new form take off. That said, perhaps that means it's a perfect time. Groups/Usenet has its limitations. Featu…

Because freedom is moderation. A place without moderation turns into a spam, gore, cp, racist, sexist shithole where no discourse happens. You may be nostalgic for usenets groups but that was a different time when a very small slice of society used those.

Re: Google Groups has been left to die

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Post by throw7 »

taviso wrote: post #63
throw7 wrote: post #9

I miss nntp. Gmane used to be my goto after nntp use fell off, but that died also (I get it though... the work to keep that working is not something I would want to do).

I'm still a daily gmane user, thankfully you're mistaken and it's still alive and well, just nntp only (news.gmane.io)! I honestly don't know what I would do if it did die, it's such a large part of how I use the internet.

I'll check things out again later. At some point I remember things getting unstable and not being able to post messages (this was when the original owner was giving up).

Re: Google Groups has been left to die

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Post by pwg »

Animats wrote: post #119

Does it still gateway to Usenet? Could people just use Usenet without Google?

Yes. Either buy a low cost USENET account from a commercial provider, or sign up at http://www.eternal-september.org/ and then use a real USENET client (which will be better for interacting with USENET than the awful interface that is google groups).

Re: Google Groups has been left to die

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Post by zabzonk »

i used it to do tech support for my CSVFix foss software. it was free and worked ok - what more do you want?

at least it lasted much longer than google code, which is where i used to host my foss projects. when that closed, i switched to bit bucket (mercurial user here) and then they dropped mercurial support. i sure can pick them!

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