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Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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Here's my goat with urinary stones - https://imgur.com/a/q7K26Z5 They paw the ground when in pain. Stones can kill in 24 hours. A lot of money later he was ok. We fed him ammonium chloride in case it was a struvite a phosphorus based stone (magnesium ammonium phosphate) But in the end it was a calcium based stone which requires an operation, which can be deadly and costly, so this is interesting. Full paper here - ht…

Cool goat

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I'm a veteran calcium oxalate stone former; I've ended up in hospital three times because of them, and my last scan showed I currently am carrying 16 of them, (plus 3 bonus bladder stones). I'd thought I'd pass on what I've learned in the last 30 years; if helps one person, then I've been useful. 1. Drink lots of water (actually a very dilute lime juice/cranberry juice mix). I aim for 4 litres/1 gallon a day, more in…

Calcium stones run all along the male side of my family too.. and I've had a few. The notion to me that lemonade would be helpful is counterintuitive. Generally we've come to understand that high doses of Vitamin C are part of the problem, because that's been something the men in my family do to ward off sickness - but my father, who took 5000 milligrams of C a day for years, always got the worst stones of all. >> 2.…

Does the Guinness in particular play anything into it or could a lager or ale work better/differently? I find this gross, fascinating, and hilarious.

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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Calcium stones run all along the male side of my family too.. and I've had a few. The notion to me that lemonade would be helpful is counterintuitive. Generally we've come to understand that high doses of Vitamin C are part of the problem, because that's been something the men in my family do to ward off sickness - but my father, who took 5000 milligrams of C a day for years, always got the worst stones of all. >> 2.…

Does the Guinness in particular play anything into it or could a lager or ale work better/differently? I find this gross, fascinating, and hilarious.

As someone who has mild problem with kindey stones since 15y old, any lager works.

lower alcohol lvls means your head won't exploed next day, higher alcohol lvls means it doesn't hurt that much.

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Well, the whole point is not to sit around at home, thinking of the pain. Call it a weird theory, but I've spent a good part of my life in bars and I've never actually seen anyone die in one. This is reassuring; it means as long as I'm inside a bar, I probably won't die. The moment I hit the sidewalk outside, anything could happen. When I've gone to bars to pass kidney stones, I make sure to alert and tip the hell ou…

I cannot tell if this is a true story or not, but I don't really care. You're an excellent storyteller.

I want to believe he married the girl.

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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In some types a lithotrity machine can do wonders. Is basically being bombed with ultrasounds while taking a long bath, so could even be doable to DIY at home if you have some maker skills and for some reason can't go to a doctor. The main concern should be to take serious care of not being electrocuted, put the speaker far and out of the water, protect your ears and assure that everything is well isolated. Using a 1…

I don't know if this comment is intended seriously but just to be clear. Lithotripsy can cause acute tissue damage and long-term loss of kidney function.[1] The shock waves need to be carefully targeted at the stone and for the correct amount of time to reduce the risk of this, typically with X-ray or ultrasound. You can absolutely not do this at home! [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2900184/

"It appears that what was once considered to be an entirely safe means to eliminate renal stones can elicit potentially severe unintended consequences"

Doh! I stand corrected then. Thank you for the info

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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I'm a veteran calcium oxalate stone former; I've ended up in hospital three times because of them, and my last scan showed I currently am carrying 16 of them, (plus 3 bonus bladder stones). I'd thought I'd pass on what I've learned in the last 30 years; if helps one person, then I've been useful. 1. Drink lots of water (actually a very dilute lime juice/cranberry juice mix). I aim for 4 litres/1 gallon a day, more in…

solute from a private; are you not mentioning flo-max (if not spelled wrongly)? I got the so far first stone out by it like almost effortless.

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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Calcium stones run all along the male side of my family too.. and I've had a few. The notion to me that lemonade would be helpful is counterintuitive. Generally we've come to understand that high doses of Vitamin C are part of the problem, because that's been something the men in my family do to ward off sickness - but my father, who took 5000 milligrams of C a day for years, always got the worst stones of all. >> 2.…

This isn't a forum for unprofessional, unproven medical advice.

HN was ahead of the curve on NAC, Ivermectin, and Vitamin D during COVID while the experts screeched in dismay. I’ll take medical advice from the Internet any day, over the experts.

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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I don't find they, at least the three I've passed, as particularly painful. It's more like an intense discomfort. I find myself in a cycle of pacing, laying down and sitting (mostly on the toilet, you feel like you have to pee constantly). It's like discomfort limbo.

Based on everyone else I've ever spoken with who had kidney stones (about six people), your experience is unusual. Several have described it as the worst experience of their life, including one who has it recur a couple of times per year.

It's possible that I've been very lucky, but I also have a pretty high pain threshold when it comes to other things... I blew my Achilles and walked around on it for days thinking I sprained an ankle. I will admit to an almost altered state of consciousness while passing a stone though that might have been tied to not really being able to sleep for days.

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I've had a couple over the last few years. I've also started throwing lemon juice in my water bottle whenever I refill it. My urologist also suggested apple cider vinegar, I try to take a bit of that every day too (usually hot). It can help dissolve stones. I personally don't find them particularly 'painful' more like profoundly uncomfortable. I find that I constantly am in a cycle of sitting for a few minutes then p…

I’d say in your case your stones probably haven’t been that big. My stones were the worst experience of my life - only IV morphine helped. And even that made the pain just tolerable. Horrible! I do identify with the constant uncomfortableness though.

I think when they saw them on the scan (they were very obvious) they said they were around 4-5mm.. I assume thats on the smallish side?
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