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Re: Meta plans thousands more layoffs as soon as this week

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Post by throwawaylinux »

pixelprizm wrote: post #328
throwawaylinux wrote: post #90

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I think Musk is a breath of fresh air from the sterile, managed, corporate-speak drones. He already proved a lot of... "experts" wrong about the imminent implosion of twitter after he got rid of a bunch of people. I'm very interested to see how things go in the next few years. Here's his side of the story on that. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1633011448459964417 I have worked in companies with a lot of dead wo…

I think the problem with this take is that even though he's "shaking up" corporate culture, it's not, like, in a good way. Just randomness. More fun for the public to watch but I don't think we have many signs that any results are good.

I disagree obviously. I think it has merits and it's not "just randomness", whatever that means.

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Post by b112 »

mschuster91 wrote: post #246
b112 wrote: post #165

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And it's especially not good if they use company resources for their personal pet projects. Good grief. I guess if you are a CFO, or finance guy, sure. But a "pet project" is conjoined with passion. And R&D, and testing the waters in other markets, is what causes true motivation. People often complain that big corps can only innovate via acquisition. Yet, this comment is complaining that big corps are innovating by..…

> And R&D, and testing the waters in other markets, is what causes true motivation. There's a difference between legitimate R&D and pulling Tesla engineers to put out fires at Twitter. The latter is a blatant abuse of Tesla's resources and to be honest it's a miracle how Musk has not gotten under serious fire from at the very least the Tesla board or a lawsuit by shareholders.

Did you ever think, maybe he hired Tesla talent, on contract, via Twitter? Are you privy to contracts between these two companies?

Did you ever think, this may be why there is no issue?

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Post by Panini_Jones »

deltree7 wrote: post #275
ithkuil wrote: post #80

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> hiring being frozen I don't know when they made that decision but a recruiter contacted me from meta last week. I wonder how far do people go through the hiring pipeline before the "stop the engines" signal arrives. Hopefully not after the offer has been accepted.

Companies are always in the lookout for and hire great talent. When they say hiring freeze, it usually means they will stop hiring a generic cookie-cutter person or fresh graduates

IC7+ was never frozen. Everything else is (at least for eng).

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Post by midoridensha »

chris_wot wrote: post #4
htrp wrote: post #2

Looks like they are making reactionary cuts to what may not be a good Q1.....

When will they acknowledge that the Metaverse sucks and that Zuckerberg needs to go?

Never: Zuck owns the company (he owns a majority share), so he can't be forced out.

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Post by midoridensha »

red-iron-pine wrote: post #192
peanuty1 wrote: post #124

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People loved Steve Jobs though whereas people hate Mark.

Steve Jobs was a misanthropic douche who routinely abused his own staff and screwed over many of those around him, including, famously, Woz. He just had really, really good marketing, and products that landed at just the right time.

Your characterization of him is correct, but he didn't accomplish what he did through sheer luck and marketing; he also had a really good sense of what (average) consumers wanted in a technology product, which his competitors seemed to mostly lack.

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Post by BoorishBears »

hnav wrote: post #324
BoorishBears wrote: post #310

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I saw the question, and thought maybe the recruiter was being literal about it being a formality... So I asked "is a naive implementation fine"? The answer was a quizzical "... well I guess we could start there? But we're probably going to need at least and preferably get to ", so I wrote out a completely naive implementation and switched to questions. - But you're right, I can't program. Not memorizing elaborate cac…

The problem is that if your company is routinely hiring people on their accolades (or just trust me bro) alone, you'll eventually end up with people who _can't_ merge linked-lists. The FAANG model of making people solve BS programming puzzles at least guarantees that a person is a try-hard or is capable of slinging some code, which its own issues aside is better than the baseline of charlatans who don't know anything…

Who said it's accolades alone?

I hold myself to the standard of knowing enough the problem space before I interview people that I can open an editor and come up with domain specific problems that anyone who's doing what they claim they're doing daily can work through (crazy bar I know...)

> Outside of FAANGs I've routinely interacted with fairly senior engineers who just could not code, period, full stop

My first thought was "You must be joking if you think there are no L5s in FAANG who can't write code",but then I realized you actually think of writing code as literally being able to write statements in a given order... but that's such an insanely low bar that people regularly meet it by repeating problems over and over for a few months.

My bar for writing code at past a junior level is to be able to solve a problem with production grade code. LC almost precludes that between the time constraints and rigid solution set so people settle for "they wrote a guard statement against an empty list".

I just want to know that a new hire isn't going to ignore things like cache locality or not know what a memory mapped file is and try to load gigabytes of data into memory and parse the whole thing just to run their O(N) solution across 4kb of data.

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Post by MikusR »

Ancalagon wrote: post #309
RestlessMind wrote: post #293

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Okay, let's start with "pay well" then. Edit: I cannot reply to barbazoo so will edit here - you still haven't provided me 5 names who "pay well".

"Better corp for the world" is subjective. "Pay well" but maybe not quite as well as Meta, and for our purposes I am excluding other FAANGs (except Waymo, sort of I guess): - Roblox - LinkedIn - Robinhood - Databricks - Bytedance - Box - Stripe - Two Sigma - Lyft - Uber - Instacart - Cruise - Doordash - Waymo - Airbnb - Pinterest Companies which imo have a more positive impact on the world than Meta: - Waymo/Cruise (…

Roblox? This Roblox? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32014754 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28247034

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Post by RestlessMind »

Ancalagon wrote: post #321
RestlessMind wrote: post #320

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Thanks for answering the question honestly. Looking at that list, I can see only LinkedIn / Databricks / Box / Cruise / Waymo as qualifying for "not making the world shittier" criteria. But quitting Meta to go work for another variant of social media like Roblox / Bytedance / Pinterest? Or Airbnb / Uber / Lyft / Instacart with lots of negative externalities by exploiting labor arbitrage? That doesn't really make any…

Sure, but that does answer your original ask. There are options, especially if you're willing to work for just slightly less (or in some cases you can still get a raise by switching) to work at a company that pays well and makes a more positive impact on the world.

> especially if you're willing to work for just slightly less

Well, in that entire list, following are the companies who don't make the world shittier: LinkedIn / Stripe / Databricks / Box / Cruise. (I will omit Waymo because its parent is Alphabet, which fails shittiness criteria).

Box stock is flat since 2015. Databricks / Stripe are private so no liquidity. So only LinkedIn qualifies for "slightly less pay but not shittier world". Though I agree that there is an option if someone wants.

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Post by throwawaylinux »

matthewdgreen wrote: post #163
throwawaylinux wrote: post #90

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I think Musk is a breath of fresh air from the sterile, managed, corporate-speak drones. He already proved a lot of... "experts" wrong about the imminent implosion of twitter after he got rid of a bunch of people. I'm very interested to see how things go in the next few years. Here's his side of the story on that. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1633011448459964417 I have worked in companies with a lot of dead wo…

Twitter sucks now. Even its boosters are using “the service didn’t permanently collapse within 80 days of settlement, see?” as their metric of its success.

If it sucks now it sucked before. And the self-proclaimed "experts" who were certain it would imminently implode don't get to avoid being wrong by indefinitely stretching what imminent means or watering down what implode means.

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Post by bufferoverflow »

coffeebeqn wrote: post #290
paxys wrote: post #51

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How is it even a comparison? Meta Quest 2 costs $400 and runs fully standalone. PS5 VR2 costs $550 and has to be plugged into a $500 gaming console. Compare it to a Quest Pro (at $1000, so still cheaper) and it’ll be a different story.

Well, Quest 2 untethered can play a few very simple games but it also requires you to tether to a PC to play anything that doesn’t look like Minecraft. Sony could have a mobile phone GPU in theirs but.. why would they?

You don't have to tether, you can stream wierelessly to Quest2 over wifi6. It's actually one of the most flexible VR headsets on the market.
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