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Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Well, we have two Bosch machines (a dishwasher and a washing machine) from the same year and series and the controls are very similar.

Same year and series, makes sense. But I would like a confirmation that a different series/different year still are similar, which is was I doubt.

My crazy ones are same series and same year, but they are an oven, a steamer, a warming drawer and a microwave. Looks like the *washer teams work better together than the kitchen appliances.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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The grid? As in power lines? How in the world would that even work? I've seen a clock that could reset its own time using radio signals. I don't think radio counts as the grid however.

Some clocks use the mains frequency as the input reference. They aren't talking about the time of day being synchronized, just time intervals. I wonder how common that is among modern appliances.

Interesting, I had never heard of this. Thanks. I found this and got some clarity.

https://hackaday.com/2018/03/29/ask-hackaday-is-your-clock-t...

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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What is "this" that you're referring to as a mental illness?

-------------------- You can cook on your stove when it’s in Sabbath Mode, but additional features and functionality are disabled. Here are some common features and functions of stoves or cooktops with Sabbath Mode: Cooktop burners can still be operated. Sounds such as tones or chimes are disabled. Displays will not indicate temperature changes. Timers are disabled. Cooktop Lockout, a feature that prevents unintended…

Look up the wire around Manhattan island if you want the peak of that nonsense.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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> In the same way, people don’t buy a dishwasher, they buy clean dishes before their next meal. Ironically, this tells me some... awkward things about how the author relates to their kitchen. I cook - a lot. I host parties - usually dinner parties - and I use cheap Ikea plates & etc instead of disposable anythings. And like (most?) millenials-ish, the kitchen is where we tend to hang out. My dishwasher isn't so that…

> My dishwasher isn't so that I have clean dishes before the next meal. It's so that I have a clean kitchen after.

So much this! My first act in preparing a meal is to empty the dishwasher so that I can rinse stuff and put it in the dishwasher as I go. Sometimes, it gets full between meals, so having the "fast" cycle lets me get dishes clean and the washer emptied before I start the next meal.

This article is a great example of the "I don't understand who might want it, so therefore it's not worth doing" mentality of many folks.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Our new(er) Bosch dishwasher beeps three times at the end of the cycle. I like it because it alerts me to open the door a couple of inches to promote drying. All the dishwashers[1] I had previous to this had a real drying cycle that actively vented the humidity and was effective. My Bosch doesn't vent the compartment so the dishes take forever to dry if you don't open the door. [1] Said dishwashers all manufactured o…

I wonder if dishwashers could have a setting to automatically open the door. It would be so much more useful than beeping. Edit: apparently some brands already have dishwashers with automatic doors, so cool!

If I was buying a dishwasher I would definitely require this feature.

My current model takes 2h to clean and if you open it right away it is usually dry in another hour. However if you forget to open the door right away it cools down and can take 4-6h to dry fully (if there are small pools of water on top of things). Having an auto-open to get the reliable 3h cycle time would be fantastic.

Obviously if I'm in a hurry I can dry manually, but that defeats a lot of the point of the automatic machine. We also put everything in the dishwaster so if we have people over on the weekend then cook lunches for the week we can have quite the continuous stream of dishes for a couple of days. Getting in an extra load or two in that time would be super helpful.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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I have a small counter-top dishwasher. It gets water by hooking hoses to the sink's faucet. When it is in use, the faucet is unavailable for something like two hours. It is better than having to do all the dishes by hand. But we have to make sure we've done things like refil the water pitcher before running the dishwasher. And there's only so much hot water in the hot water heater before it runs out, so we need to ma…

.... just get a plumber. You need a water line splitter and a faucet or even just a spigot. Dishwasher, especially countertop, wouldn't use more than a couple of liters of water in the run, but it needs a pressure in the hose/pipe to be able to do so.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Mine just... pops open by itself.

When I was dishwasher shopping last, this feature alone cost almost $200. As in I could get exactly the same dish washer with exactly same features, other than the auto open, and pay $200 less.

I have to say, very likely overpriced, but worth every cent.

Right now I need to set an alarm to go open the door when the dishwasher is hot to avoid it cooling down and then taking forever to dry. With the auto-open you never forget, are never busy (you can start it at night and it is dry in the morning) and don't need to be distracted from what you are doing.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Recently I was wondering why vacuums with metal pipes don't have them grounded.

After vaccuming a lot of fine dust from synthetic rug the static electricty was enough to create almost 2 inch (5cm) spark to grounded metal element I put the pipe close to.

EDIT: One use later apparently static electricity fried circuit that was used to control the vacuum cleaner from the handle. The button on the body of the vacuum cleaner doesn't work either. The funny thing is the system is stuck in ON position so I can no longer turn off the vacuum.

So the fresh new almost $200 vacuum from Hoover brand lasted about two cleanings because of serious design flaw.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Yeah, I often also do parties, where I cook for 20-ish people, and often have 3-4 dishwasher loads after a party. Speed does matter some. Where it matters a lot more is that I live in an condo where officially I'm not supposed to run my dishwasher after 10:00 p.m. The difference between 1 or 3 hours is significant there for running it after dinner. (I basically only run it after 10:00 p.m. after parties; got a very q…

Good lord. I don’t even know 20 people… at least not well enough to have them over for dinner.

I like cooking and having people over, so it's something I do often. I have kids, but most of my friends don't, so the numbers aren't coming from big families.

If it's something that you aspire to, here's the basic algorithm:

- Learn to cook something well. It's better to master one dish, and pull that trick semi-often, than to be able to cook a bunch of stuff mediocrely.

- When you meet somebody interesting, invite them over in the next month. It's easier to do that soon after meeting them rather than, say, a year later. Feels more natural.

- Before inviting said person, check with existing friends (assuming you have a couple) to see if they're in. It's less awkward to invite someone new over if there are already going to be other people.

- Let everyone know that their friends are also welcome.

Bonus points: keep some reserve drinks around for such situations. I've pretty much always got a spare case of beer on the balcony, and a bunch of wine around.

If you don't already have a couple friends, then inviting people to your home is a little weird, but the same rule about inviting people out early applies: do it in the first month after meeting someone and it doesn't seem weird. There you can go to a bar, or do something you know you have in common.

Perhaps curiously given the above: I'm actually mostly an introvert and like spending most of my time alone. But a lot of these things do depend on your own personality and where you live.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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> In the same way, people don’t buy a dishwasher, they buy clean dishes before their next meal. Ironically, this tells me some... awkward things about how the author relates to their kitchen. I cook - a lot. I host parties - usually dinner parties - and I use cheap Ikea plates & etc instead of disposable anythings. And like (most?) millenials-ish, the kitchen is where we tend to hang out. My dishwasher isn't so that…

I think there's some misconception about faster dishwashers here. Faster dishwashers are almost as good as faster clocks. The idea behind operating a dishwasher is that you let dishes be washed for X time. So, if you wanted dishes to be washed for X - 1 time, you'd just open the dishwasher earlier.

I mean, dishwashers don't guaranty that your dishes will be clean after X time. They guarantee washing them for X time. They aren't concerned with whether or not it will make them clean. So, speeding up the process is trivial, but doesn't result in anything useful, which was the point the author was trying to make.

I'm not trying to defend the author's general claim. I also think that even if the metaphor doesn't work for you -- it's not really all that important in the context of the article. Just trying to give a way to understand what the author probably meant when making that metaphor.

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