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Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by soco »

LaputanMachine wrote: post #320
soco wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure you are sarcastic here, because I have 4 (four) Bosch kitchen devices which might look similar (a rotating button with little displays left and right) but function WILDLY different - emphasis mine. On one the rotating button can be pushed, the displays are touch sensitive except on one, on one two increment by the touch displays not by rotating, on one the settings are reached by long pressing the info area,…

>And don't start me on the sound signals like the stove complaining it got a drop of water on its sensitive touch buttons placed right next to the pot. I believe this is actually a safety feature: When a pot boils over and spreads water on the touch panel, both the pot and the touch panel may be too hot to touch, leaving no way to turn off the stove. So, to be on the safe side, the stove turns off and beeps.

Good point! For me the failure was placing the buttons on the plate itself.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by masukomi »

saiya-jin wrote: post #317
hinkley wrote: post #218

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I haven't worked in a kitchen in thirty years, and I can still recall the feel of my skin after even a half shift of working next to one of those dish cleaners. As envious as I am of their speed, I'm absolutely sure I don't want to reproduce that sensation at home.

I've spent 1 summer (in Maine) manning such a dishwasher (Hobart, can't forget that name even after 20 years). Efficiency monster, but you gotta be careful around it. Everything spot clean and steaming hot, it was actually much work around it since plates and cutlery were coming in very fast, and I had to also shelve the results to free up space for trays... a proper sweat shop

and this specifically disproves the core premise & title of the article.

SOME people DO need a faster dishwasher. Sometimes the next meal is always "now". Along the same lines restaurants are happy to sacrifice energy efficiency for speed, and they've already got better cleanliness than consumer machines because of those efficiency sacrifices.

This also shows why we need diversity in hiring. Only someone who'd never worked in a restaurant or never considered the needs of one would write this. With diversity we can see needs that are being overlooked. With a diverse set of eyes we can see the "obvious" falsehoods in our assumptions.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by Brian_K_White »

eternityforest wrote: post #216
Brian_K_White wrote: post #138

I don't care about more private or decentralized? Better yet, my mom doesn't? I in fact do, and she in fact should!

It doesn't matter unless you can convince people to use it, )or legally force it on them, causing them to hate all technology because you didn't make it good enough people chose willingly). Private and decentralized stuff needs to get feature parity, be free as in beer like Google is, and then get a killer app that makes people want it. I've always thought p2p offline lan messaging would be it, but Blockchain trashed…

I do hate most features everyone else loves.

Some I would be neutral on and have no problem with if they weren't just candy coating to deliver lock-in and data collection.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by verinus »

RangerScience wrote: post #156

> In the same way, people don’t buy a dishwasher, they buy clean dishes before their next meal. Ironically, this tells me some... awkward things about how the author relates to their kitchen. I cook - a lot. I host parties - usually dinner parties - and I use cheap Ikea plates & etc instead of disposable anythings. And like (most?) millenials-ish, the kitchen is where we tend to hang out. My dishwasher isn't so that…

Having a large family of my own and sometimes hosting get-togethers I can not agree with your sentiment. I would not buy a dishwasher for 1% of my use-cases that otherwise wastes lot's of resources (presumably being much to large for everyday usage). Our standard eco program runs for ~3h minimizing water, electricity and chemical usage.

On the other hand I would be totally fine to buy another set of dishes for said occasions.

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Post by krageon »

zamnos wrote: post #310
krageon wrote: post #272

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> a house fire by mucking about with electricity in a device that also has water shooting around in it. If a corporation can do it properly, there is no reason to assume OP cannot. It is a little over the top to insist their house will catch fire just because they added a latch to a dishwasher (on the outside of the shell, which is what contains the water).

Because corporations have giant amounts of resources under their control, and are able to spend hundreds of millions to create something large like Disneyland. I don't know about you, but the resources I have access to don't have anywhere near that level of money.

This is not about Disneyland, it is about a single dishwasher. I don't see how the scope is insurmountable for a single person when that is the subject.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by krageon »

krisoft wrote: post #355
krageon wrote: post #267

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You need to rinse off what you put in if there is a lot of stuff on it, not because it will not be cleaned (it probably will) but because you don't want to have to clean that out of the machine at the end of the night. What does it mean for the gut barrier to be destroyed? I've worked in such kitchens in the past and there wasn't any material change in how I digest food or how sick I get, so I would suspect it's not…

> I've worked in such kitchens in the past and there wasn't any material change in how I digest food or how sick I get, so I would suspect it's not as terrible as it sounds. MrBuddyCasino has linked the paper in a comment next to mine. I don't know enough to decide the credibility of the science itself, but that is the one people are referring to. The only thing I want to add is that it is not a danger for people wor…

I did eat there every evening that I worked there. I apologise, I was not clear.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by verinus »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #195
hdhrufjdi wrote: post #172

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How does a faster dishwasher help here? Also: you can't cook without the dishwasher running everytime before you cook?

It helps with the "wash in the morning" strategy. Right now I manually wash big pans because they don't fit in the dishwasher when there are also dishes. But I need those pans tomorrow morning as well. If the dishwasher finishes before I need to go to sleep then I can just put those pans in the dishwasher. The "wash in the afternoon" strategy also becomes more viable. That way I don't have to turn on the dishwasher b…

Well there are several ways to tackle that problem, but from that aside I would not buy a dishwasher for less than 5% of my use-cases, where it would be much to resource consuming in 95% of all others...

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Post by jaclaz »

imp0cat wrote: post #370
soco wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure you are sarcastic here, because I have 4 (four) Bosch kitchen devices which might look similar (a rotating button with little displays left and right) but function WILDLY different - emphasis mine. On one the rotating button can be pushed, the displays are touch sensitive except on one, on one two increment by the touch displays not by rotating, on one the settings are reached by long pressing the info area,…

Well, we have two Bosch machines (a dishwasher and a washing machine) from the same year and series and the controls are very similar.

Same year and series, makes sense.

But I would like a confirmation that a different series/different year still are similar, which is was I doubt.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by masklinn »

verinus wrote: post #385
RangerScience wrote: post #156

> In the same way, people don’t buy a dishwasher, they buy clean dishes before their next meal. Ironically, this tells me some... awkward things about how the author relates to their kitchen. I cook - a lot. I host parties - usually dinner parties - and I use cheap Ikea plates & etc instead of disposable anythings. And like (most?) millenials-ish, the kitchen is where we tend to hang out. My dishwasher isn't so that…

Having a large family of my own and sometimes hosting get-togethers I can not agree with your sentiment. I would not buy a dishwasher for 1% of my use-cases that otherwise wastes lot's of resources (presumably being much to large for everyday usage). Our standard eco program runs for ~3h minimizing water, electricity and chemical usage. On the other hand I would be totally fine to buy another set of dishes for said o…

I feel like that used to be pretty standard for my parents’ generation and older: you’d have one set of dishes and cutlery (dented, mismatched, …) for normal use, and you’d get the “good” ware (silverware and fine porcelain) for hosting, with uniform everything for everyone, small cups for tea / coffee instead of the usual mug, …

Obviously that requires a house as you pretty much need a cabinet at least partially dedicated to storing this day-to-day.

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