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Roku devices don't support IPv6 in 2023 and it's costing ISPs

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Post by salawat »

dimgl wrote: post #39
luhn wrote: post #25

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That's par for the course nowadays, unfortunately. I couldn't name a smart TV system that doesn't have ads. Roku is far from being the worst offender, my LG C2 that I paid out the nose for has the majority of the home screen taken up with ads.

> I couldn't name a smart TV system that doesn't have ads. What do you consider to be ads? Apple TV is pretty tasteful in this regard. It never feels like I’m getting served an ad at all. In fact, with all Apple products I never feel like I’m getting served an ad.

...Dear God, it's been so long since a time where there wasn't continuous exposure to ads, that people are starting to argue that certain types of being advertised to aren't advertisements.

Truly, we have have fallen far away from the light of $DEITY.

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Post by zamnos »

nemothekid wrote: post #106
manicennui wrote: post #54

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Apple TV shows promotions for apps in the top row. These are ads. They are often shows the user isn't interested in, but the service is interested in pushing.

I'm pretty sure thats a feature for any app you put in the top row. If you have Netflix in that row it will show you recommended.

But I don't have to pay extra for those Netflix shows. If you don't have Apple TV+, those cost extra, making it far more of an ad than Netflix simply displaying other shows on their service.

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Post by tristanbvk »

sigjuice wrote: post #198
tristanbvk wrote: post #131

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IPv6 has link-local, v4 doesn't. That is a huge configuration win.

IPv4 also has link-local addresses. They belong to the range 169.254.0.0/16.

And is it enabled by default?

Also is it mathematically unique not to cause any potential conflicts.

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Post by dijit »

ownagefool wrote: post #81
hitpointdrew wrote: post #50

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Why would I want any of my devices on my network to have a publicly route-able address? > Why would you make everything gratuitously complicated by having two separate forms of addressing? How is IPv6 itself not "gratuitously complicated". You think I am going to remember the IP of my firewall, my network switch, if it is that mess of characters that is an IPv6 address? I can easily recall 10.10.10.1 is my gateway, o…

The main reason would be to do p2p without hacks / servers. Why are you so militant against the idea?

Sunk cost fallacy.

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Post by goosedragons »

mr_toad wrote: post #179
goosedragons wrote: post #67

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It basically has ads with the default home screen setup to show you what's new on ATV+ and iTunes. Slightly more tasteful than McDonald's McDelivery Banner ads but it's essentially the same.

> It basically has ads with the default home screen setup to show you what's new on ATV+ and iTunes. This objection perplexes me. What would you rather have on the Home Screen? A blank screen? A list sorted from A-Z. Oldest to newest (for the most compulsive of TV viewers?)

Something not trying to sell me something or get me to subscribe to a service? You know, not ads?

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Post by megous »

outworlder wrote: post #103
megous wrote: post #28

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It's easier. You'd be using SLAAC and your devices would have globally unique IP address based on the MAC address of their network interface.

Expect that some systems use random temporary IPv6 exactly to make it harder to track (even Windows)

Probably not very helpful against adversary device (like Roku) running on the same LAN.

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Post by ArchOversight »

zamadatix wrote: post #177
Symbiote wrote: post #90

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As the article says, the Roku traffic is the overwhelming majority of that ipv4 traffic. HN and similar mostly-text websites would barely show up on the statistics.

NAT scales in both dimensions, you're just as likely to need a larger box for a larger connection table as you are a larger bandwidth.

It's also about ports. If I have 10 Gbps of IPv4 flow but my devices are licensed for and operate on 1 Gbps, I need to license 10 1 Gbps ports.

When I was last working at an ISP, various CG-NAT solutions charged not just based on the connection table, but also there was various licensing for various slide-in cards.

If the ISP is having to buy additional hardware/additional ports on upstream providers just to power their CG-NAT that is an additional cost.

If the POP where you have your CG-NAT doesn't have more bandwidth available you end up running your ports hot... so now you either need to rent a new location, get your connectivity up there and start figuring out how to route the traffic.

It's not as simple, and it all costs copious amounts of money. Especially if your IPv6 can more easily be distributed across multiple POP's with multiple forms of connectivity and traffic shaped using BGP or other solutions thereby reducing the load on a single upstream port.

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Post by sigjuice »

tristanbvk wrote: post #213
sigjuice wrote: post #198

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IPv4 also has link-local addresses. They belong to the range 169.254.0.0/16.

And is it enabled by default? Also is it mathematically unique not to cause any potential conflicts.

Yes. 169.254.0.0/24 addresses show up quite often.

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Post by JohnFen »

luhn wrote: post #25
ehPReth wrote: post #9

I really hate Roku as a product, ads on the home screen and the remote(??) of something I paid for? No thanks. Though, I will concede it is cool to load mostly "unapproved" apps if the developer shares the app ID. (Certain x-rated sites liked to advertise they have a Roku app, something that would never make its way to most other TV boxes)

That's par for the course nowadays, unfortunately. I couldn't name a smart TV system that doesn't have ads. Roku is far from being the worst offender, my LG C2 that I paid out the nose for has the majority of the home screen taken up with ads.

> I couldn't name a smart TV system that doesn't have ads.

Which is the #2 reason why I won't ever own a smart TV system.

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Post by slackdog »

throw0101c wrote: post #205
slackdog wrote: post #143

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I'll switch when IPv4 stops working. Until then, I have no reason to switch. > It's costing ISPs I hate my ISP so this is actually a feature. If they add an IPv4 surcharge to my bill then I'll reconsider.

> I'll switch when IPv4 stops working. Until then, I have no reason to switch. IPv4 has stopped working for a lot of people already, especially if they're not with a fancy-pants ISP with lots of legacy IPv4 addresses already 'in the bank'. From another discussion: > I've actually run into this [CG NAT] helping a friend host a game server on their residential internet in a more rural part of Texas. They had to call th…

Sure, I get that. But it's their problem, not my problem. I'll only switch when it becomes my problem.
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