IPv6... Can it just go away already? Adoption has been declining for years. Many devices don't support it. Many services seemingly support it but break in strange ways. And not to mention it's a subtle and yet powerful privacy attack vector.
Roku devices don't support IPv6 in 2023 and it's costing ISPs
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Re: Roku devices don't support IPv6 in 2023 and it's costing ISPs
#52My #1 step in troubleshooting any network issues is to disable IPv6. Step #2 is so rarely needed that I no longer remember what it was. IPv6 has been a failure, it is about time we openly admitted it. Why? Simple - it causes consumer pain and no consumer gain
Re: Roku devices don't support IPv6 in 2023 and it's costing ISPs
#53IPv6... Can it just go away already? Adoption has been declining for years. Many devices don't support it. Many services seemingly support it but break in strange ways. And not to mention it's a subtle and yet powerful privacy attack vector.
Re: Roku devices don't support IPv6 in 2023 and it's costing ISPs
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's par for the course nowadays, unfortunately. I couldn't name a smart TV system that doesn't have ads. Roku is far from being the worst offender, my LG C2 that I paid out the nose for has the majority of the home screen taken up with ads.
> I couldn't name a smart TV system that doesn't have ads. What do you consider to be ads? Apple TV is pretty tasteful in this regard. It never feels like I’m getting served an ad at all. In fact, with all Apple products I never feel like I’m getting served an ad.
Re: Roku devices don't support IPv6 in 2023 and it's costing ISPs
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's par for the course nowadays, unfortunately. I couldn't name a smart TV system that doesn't have ads. Roku is far from being the worst offender, my LG C2 that I paid out the nose for has the majority of the home screen taken up with ads.
> I couldn't name a smart TV system that doesn't have ads. What do you consider to be ads? Apple TV is pretty tasteful in this regard. It never feels like I’m getting served an ad at all. In fact, with all Apple products I never feel like I’m getting served an ad.
Re: Roku devices don't support IPv6 in 2023 and it's costing ISPs
#56IPv6... Can it just go away already? Adoption has been declining for years. Many devices don't support it. Many services seemingly support it but break in strange ways. And not to mention it's a subtle and yet powerful privacy attack vector.
Source?
> Many devices don't support it.
Source?
> Many services seemingly support it but break in strange ways.
Got any examples?
> And not to mention it's a subtle and yet powerful privacy attack vector.
This is the only statement you've made that has any merit, and even then very little.
Privacy Addresses have been a thing for a while, and most OS's support it. No longer are there stable addresses being generated from the MAC address, and all outbound connections are now on randomized addresses from the /64 that is announced through SLAAC.
Just like IPv4 having a single address for a household, IPv6 has a /64 per household (although many ISP's let you request more if you want).
IPv6 is growing, more and more traffic is going over IPv6 and it is not likely to go away any time soon.
Re: Roku devices don't support IPv6 in 2023 and it's costing ISPs
#57Who the hell is giving their Roku a public IP? How is this remotely a problem? This is 100% not the fault of Roku, and 100% the fault of the ISP. The ISP should have an IPv6 to IPv4 gateway built into their modem/router. You have a WAN port that is IPv6 and an LAN port that IPv4. IPv6 for local networks, makes no sense is completely unnecessary, and is a hill I will die on. IPv4 is here to stay.
> IPv6 for local networks, makes no sense is completely unnecessary, and is a hill I will die on. IPv4 is here to stay. Why would you make everything gratuitously complicated by having two separate forms of addressing? All that IPv4 gains you is new and exciting ways to mess up your networking. Just give every device a normal public address (of course you probably want to firewall off inbound traffic from the WAN to…
If it ain't broke, don't fix it? If IPv6 brings no benefit to my LAN, why should I spend all the effort needed to shift it to IPv6? I can just make the connection to the internet IPv6 and leave everything else alone.
Although I have additional friction in my case, in that I have numerous devices that are IPv4-only. So no matter what, I'd have to at least have one LAN segment that is IPv4.
Re: Roku devices don't support IPv6 in 2023 and it's costing ISPs
#58I really hate Roku as a product, ads on the home screen and the remote(??) of something I paid for? No thanks. Though, I will concede it is cool to load mostly "unapproved" apps if the developer shares the app ID. (Certain x-rated sites liked to advertise they have a Roku app, something that would never make its way to most other TV boxes)
At least on my Roku I can turn most of the fluff off, and I'm much more confident I won't spend money renting something I have available to stream for free. Beyond the basics of 4K and HDR support, I didn't realize this would be the most important thing to me.
Edit: saw this article not 60 seconds later haha https://www.theverge.com/23621907/streaming-tv-boxes-roku-am...?
Re: Roku devices don't support IPv6 in 2023 and it's costing ISPs
#59I really hate Roku as a product, ads on the home screen and the remote(??) of something I paid for? No thanks. Though, I will concede it is cool to load mostly "unapproved" apps if the developer shares the app ID. (Certain x-rated sites liked to advertise they have a Roku app, something that would never make its way to most other TV boxes)
Re: Roku devices don't support IPv6 in 2023 and it's costing ISPs
#60Who the hell is giving their Roku a public IP? How is this remotely a problem? This is 100% not the fault of Roku, and 100% the fault of the ISP. The ISP should have an IPv6 to IPv4 gateway built into their modem/router. You have a WAN port that is IPv6 and an LAN port that IPv4. IPv6 for local networks, makes no sense is completely unnecessary, and is a hill I will die on. IPv4 is here to stay.