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Roku devices don't support IPv6 in 2023 and it's costing ISPs

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Re: Roku devices don't support IPv6 in 2023 and it's costing ISPs

#51

IPv6... Can it just go away already? Adoption has been declining for years. Many devices don't support it. Many services seemingly support it but break in strange ways. And not to mention it's a subtle and yet powerful privacy attack vector.

IPv6 adoption has been increasing.

Re: Roku devices don't support IPv6 in 2023 and it's costing ISPs

#52
post #4

My #1 step in troubleshooting any network issues is to disable IPv6. Step #2 is so rarely needed that I no longer remember what it was. IPv6 has been a failure, it is about time we openly admitted it. Why? Simple - it causes consumer pain and no consumer gain

That hasn't been my experience at all. Working around slow, unreliable NAT devices (all of them) causes stuff that runs over ipv6 (these days, almost anything that uses significant bandwidth) to work better and faster for me.

Re: Roku devices don't support IPv6 in 2023 and it's costing ISPs

#53

IPv6... Can it just go away already? Adoption has been declining for years. Many devices don't support it. Many services seemingly support it but break in strange ways. And not to mention it's a subtle and yet powerful privacy attack vector.

On what metric does this look like it's declining? https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html

Re: Roku devices don't support IPv6 in 2023 and it's costing ISPs

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That's par for the course nowadays, unfortunately. I couldn't name a smart TV system that doesn't have ads. Roku is far from being the worst offender, my LG C2 that I paid out the nose for has the majority of the home screen taken up with ads.

> I couldn't name a smart TV system that doesn't have ads. What do you consider to be ads? Apple TV is pretty tasteful in this regard. It never feels like I’m getting served an ad at all. In fact, with all Apple products I never feel like I’m getting served an ad.

Apple TV shows promotions for apps in the top row. These are ads. They are often shows the user isn't interested in, but the service is interested in pushing.

Re: Roku devices don't support IPv6 in 2023 and it's costing ISPs

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post #39
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's par for the course nowadays, unfortunately. I couldn't name a smart TV system that doesn't have ads. Roku is far from being the worst offender, my LG C2 that I paid out the nose for has the majority of the home screen taken up with ads.

> I couldn't name a smart TV system that doesn't have ads. What do you consider to be ads? Apple TV is pretty tasteful in this regard. It never feels like I’m getting served an ad at all. In fact, with all Apple products I never feel like I’m getting served an ad.

my samsung has a permanent ad for appletv, and I'm an apple hater, so I will never buy it and I can't easily make it go away, which makes me hate it more.

Re: Roku devices don't support IPv6 in 2023 and it's costing ISPs

#56

IPv6... Can it just go away already? Adoption has been declining for years. Many devices don't support it. Many services seemingly support it but break in strange ways. And not to mention it's a subtle and yet powerful privacy attack vector.

> Adoption has been declining for years.

Source?

> Many devices don't support it.

Source?

> Many services seemingly support it but break in strange ways.

Got any examples?

> And not to mention it's a subtle and yet powerful privacy attack vector.

This is the only statement you've made that has any merit, and even then very little.

Privacy Addresses have been a thing for a while, and most OS's support it. No longer are there stable addresses being generated from the MAC address, and all outbound connections are now on randomized addresses from the /64 that is announced through SLAAC.

Just like IPv4 having a single address for a household, IPv6 has a /64 per household (although many ISP's let you request more if you want).

IPv6 is growing, more and more traffic is going over IPv6 and it is not likely to go away any time soon.

Re: Roku devices don't support IPv6 in 2023 and it's costing ISPs

#57
post #31

Who the hell is giving their Roku a public IP? How is this remotely a problem? This is 100% not the fault of Roku, and 100% the fault of the ISP. The ISP should have an IPv6 to IPv4 gateway built into their modem/router. You have a WAN port that is IPv6 and an LAN port that IPv4. IPv6 for local networks, makes no sense is completely unnecessary, and is a hill I will die on. IPv4 is here to stay.

> IPv6 for local networks, makes no sense is completely unnecessary, and is a hill I will die on. IPv4 is here to stay. Why would you make everything gratuitously complicated by having two separate forms of addressing? All that IPv4 gains you is new and exciting ways to mess up your networking. Just give every device a normal public address (of course you probably want to firewall off inbound traffic from the WAN to…

> Why would you make everything gratuitously complicated by having two separate forms of addressing?

If it ain't broke, don't fix it? If IPv6 brings no benefit to my LAN, why should I spend all the effort needed to shift it to IPv6? I can just make the connection to the internet IPv6 and leave everything else alone.

Although I have additional friction in my case, in that I have numerous devices that are IPv4-only. So no matter what, I'd have to at least have one LAN segment that is IPv4.

Re: Roku devices don't support IPv6 in 2023 and it's costing ISPs

#58
post #9

I really hate Roku as a product, ads on the home screen and the remote(??) of something I paid for? No thanks. Though, I will concede it is cool to load mostly "unapproved" apps if the developer shares the app ID. (Certain x-rated sites liked to advertise they have a Roku app, something that would never make its way to most other TV boxes)

I went away from it, but ultimately came back because its universal search worked best for me. Fire Stick, Chromecast w/ Google TV, and Apple TV all routinely were unable to inform me that a show or movie I searched for was available for me to stream on a service I already subscribed to.

At least on my Roku I can turn most of the fluff off, and I'm much more confident I won't spend money renting something I have available to stream for free. Beyond the basics of 4K and HDR support, I didn't realize this would be the most important thing to me.

Edit: saw this article not 60 seconds later haha https://www.theverge.com/23621907/streaming-tv-boxes-roku-am...?

Re: Roku devices don't support IPv6 in 2023 and it's costing ISPs

#59
post #9

I really hate Roku as a product, ads on the home screen and the remote(??) of something I paid for? No thanks. Though, I will concede it is cool to load mostly "unapproved" apps if the developer shares the app ID. (Certain x-rated sites liked to advertise they have a Roku app, something that would never make its way to most other TV boxes)

I also think it’s appalling how much input lag there is with these devices. It’s 2023 and there’s seconds long delay between input and response with these things. I get they’re cheap but how much CPU is needed to move a cursor?

Re: Roku devices don't support IPv6 in 2023 and it's costing ISPs

#60

Who the hell is giving their Roku a public IP? How is this remotely a problem? This is 100% not the fault of Roku, and 100% the fault of the ISP. The ISP should have an IPv6 to IPv4 gateway built into their modem/router. You have a WAN port that is IPv6 and an LAN port that IPv4. IPv6 for local networks, makes no sense is completely unnecessary, and is a hill I will die on. IPv4 is here to stay.

Congratulations on completely failing to understand how CGNAT loads work & their costs, and jumping to a wildly incorrect understanding of the situation
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