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Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Do it! Or the easy way. 1. Find a husband/wife. 2. Get some kids. 3. Get some more kids. 4. Invite some other families with lots of kids now and then. 5. Profit!

Extra brownie points for getting married to someone with a big family.

Or divorcing after step 3 and remarrying someone else with lots of kids. You'll suddenly have double the kids but only every second week!

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Yeah, I often also do parties, where I cook for 20-ish people, and often have 3-4 dishwasher loads after a party. Speed does matter some. Where it matters a lot more is that I live in an condo where officially I'm not supposed to run my dishwasher after 10:00 p.m. The difference between 1 or 3 hours is significant there for running it after dinner. (I basically only run it after 10:00 p.m. after parties; got a very q…

This is also telling how thin the walls are where you live. I live in an old house with an old and fairly loud dishwasher. One door closed and there are no vibrations or noise problem. Can a dishwasher really become a noise problem?

Probably floors more than walls, contact points with both, and not so much "thin / thick" but "does this transmit the vibration". Like subwoofers on the ground, it changes how the sound carries.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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YMMV, but our Bosch dishwasher has 5 modes and one of them is "party" mode. When selected, the machine first preheats water for 30 minutes and then you can load it repeatedly, each load only takes 10 minutes to wash. It does have two drawbacks though. First, you have to use liquid detergent, as tablets do not dissolve fast enough. Second, it consumes a lot of power and water as opposed to the regular 3h+ setting. But…

I wonder what it is about dishwashers that need 3h in order to be efficient, when hand washing can accomplish the same task much faster for similar amount of resources as long as you don't wash under a continuously open faucet.

Quoted from their site: "With the longer wash-cycle, the water doesn't require heating up as much".

I believe it's because dishwashers are rated for efficiency when at their default settings. So it's no wonder that the default setting is the slowest. It's all done to conserve energy and water. Obviously, you don't have to use it, the machine has multiple programs in total, with varying temperatures and speeds (and also a "faster/eco" button that can further reduce the time needed to wash a load at the expense of more resources used. But I think you'd be hard pressed to wash the same amount of dishes with less or equal amount of water. They claim the machine uses "3.15 gallons (11.92 liters)" on average.

Also, you can just dump dirty dishes there during the day, then run the machine overnight and have clean and dry dishes in the morning without having to manually wash them. It's convenient.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Every dishwasher I've owned has a cold water inlet and uses electricity to heat the water to the required temperature.

Maytag says your wrong: https://www.maytag.com/blog/kitchen/do-dishwashers-use-hot-w... It they were installed wrong. The heating element just helps keep it warm. It won’t make it hot enough.

That's an American thing. Not world-wide. As others have said, outside America the common way is to connect to cold water and use internal heating only.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Came here to say this. I worked a lot in commercial kitchens as a dishwasher during college time and I love the commercial dishwashers. Super solid, superfast, super high powered, mostly super effective except for the really really greasy stains on plates or where you need to scrub some slow cooking trays or pots. I’ve always wanted to buy one from my house. From what I remember we have three cycles: a 60 second a 90…

1. they’re really de-greasers, you have to pre-wash the plates 2. the surfactants used are suspected to destroy the gut barrier, because they aren’t being washed off for speed reasons, unlike consumer models

I don’t think that’s true. Have you worked in a restaurant kitchen with a machine like that?

Pre-wash? you can just rinse them if there’s junk.

Gut? That’s surfactants, not specifically ones used in commercial dish washers. You can hurt yourself with dangerous surfactants if you don’t rinse them, when washing at home, even by hand.

It’s also totally not true that surfactants are not rinsed off. The speed comes from many more jets and lots higher pressure. They are performance machines!

Maybe it’s different in casinos, if that’s where you’ve worked?

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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There are market opportunities at all axes: - Some people genuinely need a faster dishwasher, because having clean dishes in a timely fashion is important. - Some people need cleaner dishes than others. Cleanliness isn't binary. - Some people need a more energy efficient dishwasher. - Some people need a smaller/bigger/more corrosion-resistant/quiet/heavy duty/etc. dishwasher than the market norm. The trick is figurin…

I generally agree, except for the "Some people need cleaner dishes than others". I can't imagine someone actually accepting "washed" dishes with food stains on them. Either they're clean, or they're not. Presumably you could do a scientific test to figure out the amount of bacteria left, but I assume we're not talking at that level.

I think it depends on how you feel about water spots and streaks. Some people can't stand them, others don't even see them. Each side thinks the other is wrong.

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> In the same way, people don’t buy a dishwasher, they buy clean dishes before their next meal. Ironically, this tells me some... awkward things about how the author relates to their kitchen. I cook - a lot. I host parties - usually dinner parties - and I use cheap Ikea plates & etc instead of disposable anythings. And like (most?) millenials-ish, the kitchen is where we tend to hang out. My dishwasher isn't so that…

Taking one-off examples and extrapolating the average problem is also a tendency of some engineers

For most people, most of the time, running for 3h is fine

And unless your dishes are really dirty, the shorter and more energy efficient programs run fine and are done in 1h or less

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Mine just... pops open by itself.

When I was dishwasher shopping last, this feature alone cost almost $200. As in I could get exactly the same dish washer with exactly same features, other than the auto open, and pay $200 less.

I can't say for sure which dishwasher I have since it came with the house, but knowing the previous owner it's from IKEA and one of the cheaper models.

I can totally see manufacturers try and segment the market with a convenience function like this though.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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That would also help. But then I probably wouldn't trust it to be blasting the heck out of my dishes. But if they came out clean, I certainly would not complain.

I set the delay timer so it starts when I'm asleep and finished just as I wake.

Delay timers exist for such a long time that I assumed GP had a good reason to not use it.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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In the time it would take to procure all necessary parts and tools, and perform the labor, most people could've earned enough wage to just pony up the $200 for a streamlined solution. Not to mention avoiding the risk of voiding the warranty on a brand new appliance, or a house fire by mucking about with electricity in a device that also has water shooting around in it. By all means though, to all the tinkerers out th…

> a house fire by mucking about with electricity in a device that also has water shooting around in it. If a corporation can do it properly, there is no reason to assume OP cannot. It is a little over the top to insist their house will catch fire just because they added a latch to a dishwasher (on the outside of the shell, which is what contains the water).

Because corporations have giant amounts of resources under their control, and are able to spend hundreds of millions to create something large like Disneyland. I don't know about you, but the resources I have access to don't have anywhere near that level of money.
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