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Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by shalmanese »

rpmisms wrote: post #257

Except that if a dishwasher was significantly faster, people would love it. 20 minutes would be enough to make people go "wow, that's really nice", and that would become the new "cool" dishwasher.

There are plenty of dishwashers faster than 20 minutes, they're all in restaurant kitchens which do have a speed requirement. Several bleeding edge people have installed restaurant style dishwashers in their private homes but the requirements (in terms of energy use, danger of the chemicals involved, noise, temperatures reached) make them not a good fit for almost all homes.

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Post by FooBarWidget »

imp0cat wrote: post #240
FooBarWidget wrote: post #162

Slow dishwasher is a huge pain. When relatives visit and join dinner (and they do so often) I end up with more dishes than I can fit in the dishwasher. I can wash the remaining dishes the next morning, but this wastes energy and water because the dishwasher is not full. I can also "preventatively" turn on the dishes in the afternoon, to wash the breakfast and lunch dishes, so that it's completely empty for the dinner…

YMMV, but our Bosch dishwasher has 5 modes and one of them is "party" mode. When selected, the machine first preheats water for 30 minutes and then you can load it repeatedly, each load only takes 10 minutes to wash. It does have two drawbacks though. First, you have to use liquid detergent, as tablets do not dissolve fast enough. Second, it consumes a lot of power and water as opposed to the regular 3h+ setting. But…

I wonder what it is about dishwashers that need 3h in order to be efficient, when hand washing can accomplish the same task much faster for similar amount of resources as long as you don't wash under a continuously open faucet.

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Post by Tor3 »

Chris2048 wrote: post #108
goblinux wrote: post #13

My dishwasher has a beeper for when it’s done like a microwave. It drives me up a wall!! I don’t care when dishes are done, I don’t need to attend to them urgently. They can sit there clean until I’m ready for them. There is no way to disable this beeper and it goes off every minute after the cycle is complete. Thank god the dishwasher has a wall switch to the circuit so I can just kill it but oh man. Never buying Bo…

> There is no way to disable this beeper Not officially, but there's always a wire that could be snipped, or a speaker that can be smashed..

Which reminds me about where I worked back in the neolithic.. we had an intruder alarm horn in the corridor, which was supposed to sound if someone didn't enter the magic sequence at the entrance door.

But it had some issues, so sometimes it just went off. It was very loud and annoying. One day our tech manager couldn't take it anymore and came running out of his office, with a nipper in hand, and, as he was a really big guy, reached up to the horn up at the ceiling and cut the cables.

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Post by kmlx »

wheels wrote: post #175
RangerScience wrote: post #156

> In the same way, people don’t buy a dishwasher, they buy clean dishes before their next meal. Ironically, this tells me some... awkward things about how the author relates to their kitchen. I cook - a lot. I host parties - usually dinner parties - and I use cheap Ikea plates & etc instead of disposable anythings. And like (most?) millenials-ish, the kitchen is where we tend to hang out. My dishwasher isn't so that…

Yeah, I often also do parties, where I cook for 20-ish people, and often have 3-4 dishwasher loads after a party. Speed does matter some. Where it matters a lot more is that I live in an condo where officially I'm not supposed to run my dishwasher after 10:00 p.m. The difference between 1 or 3 hours is significant there for running it after dinner. (I basically only run it after 10:00 p.m. after parties; got a very q…

> often have 3-4 dishwasher loads after a party.

tip: get more dishwashers. it will make your life easier.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by ggm »

A good example of "nothing gets faster engagement than wrong facts" social media.

"Nobody" the author knows. Lots of people, not all of them didactic contrarians actually do want this one thing.

I am a little from box A and a little from box B on this, myself. If the dishwasher is too fast, I'd suspect it does a poor job, or I would face revaluation of the relative worth of shared work: if cleaning declines in burden then more of it may have to be done.

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Post by Jaxan »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #259
ihateolives wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> in general the time it takes the dishwasher to run is not critical I have children. They use plates, bowls, cups, cutlery, more bowls, more plates, more cups. I have only limited room for additional dishes. Dishes better be done before dinner or else somebody is going to have bad time. And generally if someone in the family is having bad time then everybody is going to have bad time.

> Dishes better be done before dinner or else somebody is going to have bad time. Of course but since there are several hours between meals, even if you have to run your dishwasher after each meal the time it takes to run is not critical as long as it's done within that timeframe. Basically, in general it does not matter whether it takes 1 hour or 2 hours.

> Basically, in general it does not matter whether it takes 1 hour or 2 hours

The eco mode of our dishwasher takes 4 hours.

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Post by krageon »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #234
graderjs wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Came here to say this. I worked a lot in commercial kitchens as a dishwasher during college time and I love the commercial dishwashers. Super solid, superfast, super high powered, mostly super effective except for the really really greasy stains on plates or where you need to scrub some slow cooking trays or pots. I’ve always wanted to buy one from my house. From what I remember we have three cycles: a 60 second a 90…

1. they’re really de-greasers, you have to pre-wash the plates 2. the surfactants used are suspected to destroy the gut barrier, because they aren’t being washed off for speed reasons, unlike consumer models

You need to rinse off what you put in if there is a lot of stuff on it, not because it will not be cleaned (it probably will) but because you don't want to have to clean that out of the machine at the end of the night.

What does it mean for the gut barrier to be destroyed? I've worked in such kitchens in the past and there wasn't any material change in how I digest food or how sick I get, so I would suspect it's not as terrible as it sounds.

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Post by fsckboy »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #234
graderjs wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Came here to say this. I worked a lot in commercial kitchens as a dishwasher during college time and I love the commercial dishwashers. Super solid, superfast, super high powered, mostly super effective except for the really really greasy stains on plates or where you need to scrub some slow cooking trays or pots. I’ve always wanted to buy one from my house. From what I remember we have three cycles: a 60 second a 90…

1. they’re really de-greasers, you have to pre-wash the plates 2. the surfactants used are suspected to destroy the gut barrier, because they aren’t being washed off for speed reasons, unlike consumer models

many commercial kitchens use sanitizers which look like but are not washers, but they guarantee (heating and chemically) that the dishes come out germ free. They're not for food-crusted pots and pans, but work great for china, silverware, and glassware.

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Post by k__ »

Didn't Hillel Wayne write about how he made some software faster? His co-workers first thought it was a waste of time, but when they actually used it they didn't want to go back anymore.

I think, the moral of that story was something like: When you make a software process faster by an order of magnitude, it lends itself for new use-cases.

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