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Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by systematical »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #47
twblalock wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

9000 people who make products that suck should do something else with their lives. Does that mean they will lose their jobs? Yes. It's still the best outcome for the world and those people will get other jobs, hopefully making better products.

It's really nice to have an alternative to github. Say what you want about bitbucket, but people have been banned from github for pretty fickle reasons, so it's nice that they can still host repositories somewhere else for free.

I'll say it, it sucks and its slow. The company I started at recently uses it and I hate it so much. Scrolling through a PR, viewing comments in a PR, adding comments in a PR, its all so clunky and GH Actions destroys BB pipelines. It's crap.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by onethought »

harry8 wrote: post #43
nullspace wrote: post #30

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Developer here. I quite like Jira, I've never seen anything as fleshed out or complete as it is. At a previous startup, I used clubhouse.io, but I seriously missed Jira after a few months. I generally think Atlassian is a really solid company building good products and I really don't get the hatred. I'm also open to acceptable alternatives to Jira and Trello. Edit: ooh, just saw that they also own statuspage. And eve…

>... I really don't get the hatred. The hatred pretty much comes directly from the fact that as developers we are not the customer, just the user. What do developers want? Not to wait for flipping ever on every damn mouse click. To be as fast and minimal as possible. Stay out of the way so I can get work done. What does the customer (the person who selects the product and signs away company $ for it) To "manage" deve…

> What do developers want?

Linear (linear.app)

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by systematical »

andy_ppp wrote: post #40
twblalock wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

9000 people who make products that suck should do something else with their lives. Does that mean they will lose their jobs? Yes. It's still the best outcome for the world and those people will get other jobs, hopefully making better products.

I think you’re confusing your opinion with reality, the truth is Jira (I presume this is your real complaint?) is fine and works well enough for most people they can just get on with it.

I'm actually okay with Jira. I can't understand why they don't address performance, but I can roll with it because its not that abysmal. I honestly haven't seen something much better out there so it is what it is. It's confluence that I absolutely hate, thats where the performance and generally sad state of the UX gets to me. Bitbucket is even worse, but I had forgotten about its existence until recently because the company I now work for uses that clunky POS. There are good alternatives to those products, but somehow companies get roped into that garbage because they are already using Jira.

How can Atlassian have all that staff and such shit products?

Edit: I know the answer because I've been a company that did all of this. Build new shit and don't focus on the main product, then lay off your staff.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by Xeamek »

bzhang255 wrote: post #15
twblalock wrote: post #12

They should lay off 100% and go out of business. An entire generation of devs has suffered with Atlassian's broken, unscalable tooling. In my entire career I've never met someone who actually likes their products.

> They should lay off 100% and go out of business. Suggesting that 9000 people lose their jobs feels like a needlessly hateful way to express a dissatisfaction with a company's products.

Oh stop with the virtue signaling.

We are in IT business for God sake. We make crap ton of money, we can work from pretty much anywhere in the world and the market is still undersaturated by a lot. Obviously loosing job always sucks, but this social movement of caring about workers who were let go was meant to be about poor, low skill laborers with no viable alternative in sight, not heckin programmers lmao

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by systematical »

bydlocoder wrote: post #18
PheonixPharts wrote: post #13

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I find it funny that every layoff announcement has a similar comment at the top, as though this were an isolated incident, rather than a fundamental shake up in the industry. This isn't even the only layoff article on the front page of HN right now. I think it's fair to say that virtually every company right now has been "a bit over bloated for awhile". Even as someone that foresaw pretty much what we're seeing now r…

It will be a blood bath. Postman "Labs", a company that produces a glorified cURL UI and some incoherent most likely useless tools around it received $433M investment at valuation of $2B and apparently has hundreds of employees. Current state of tech is not sustainable.

postman, another shit product.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by wbl »

systematical wrote: post #51
pcthrowaway wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really nice to have an alternative to github. Say what you want about bitbucket, but people have been banned from github for pretty fickle reasons, so it's nice that they can still host repositories somewhere else for free.

I'll say it, it sucks and its slow. The company I started at recently uses it and I hate it so much. Scrolling through a PR, viewing comments in a PR, adding comments in a PR, its all so clunky and GH Actions destroys BB pipelines. It's crap.

Don't forget the way revising changes is not a first class thing or tracking comments. Gerrit is so much better

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by verst »

csomar wrote: post #50
nullspace wrote: post #30

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Developer here. I quite like Jira, I've never seen anything as fleshed out or complete as it is. At a previous startup, I used clubhouse.io, but I seriously missed Jira after a few months. I generally think Atlassian is a really solid company building good products and I really don't get the hatred. I'm also open to acceptable alternatives to Jira and Trello. Edit: ooh, just saw that they also own statuspage. And eve…

Trello is not really their product. They acquired that company.

Same with statuspage

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by Jensson »

twelve40 wrote: post #22
bydlocoder wrote: post #20

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Obvious answer - unemployed.

so you go from perpetually unemployed to engineer at Atlassian for a couple of years, then back to perpetually unemployed? ("never would have had jobs" according to the parent) is that typical, for most companies?

Everyone moved up a pin, and the lowest ranked company got a bootcamp grad. Now everyone moved down a pin, and the bootcamp grad wont get a job. That is roughly how this works, not as clean but the end result isn't far off.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by onethought »

latency-guy2 wrote: post #48
twelve40 wrote: post #17

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> Most companies overhired how is it possible for most companies to overhire? where did all those hires come from? maybe facebook doubled by poaching non-faang people, but where did the non-faang companies get all these extra hires from? > a lot of the people who are being laid off never would have had jobs since tech layoffs mostly affect eng, pm's, hr and a bit of management, it seems strange that these mostly well…

Most companies with lots of cash during the inflation years overhired, those workers left smaller or less profitable companies that do not pay as much. The population of engineers did not grow that significantly IMO.

Yes the offers going around in the last few years for developers has been bullshit. It forced a lot of smaller shops to overpay to retain engineers, because of bullshit VC money backed competition. Then the VC money washes away and suddenly the market crashes... This isn't a good way to operate as an industry, and all that money produced what in terms of actual innovation?

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by systematical »

hiyer wrote: post #8
noloblo wrote: post #2

bitbucket is a solid product on its own but it's no where comparable to the social network and sheer volume of github and usability of github copilot.

Github actions is also supposedly way more versatile and user-friendly than Bitbucket pipelines.

not supposedly, it is.
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