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The complete lack of design standards is what kills the utility. They should all have 3 buttons: "accept all" or "reject all" or "customize", dead simple. Every time it's a different design, different button text, different options. Usually rejecting = multi layers of options. A perfect example of good intentions making bad policy.
I have hard time believing it is not intentional. I think Europe could easily enforce consistent UI which could be automated through ad blocker, but now they know that most companies would rather stop serving Europe than not track users for ad.
ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI
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It's not the EU's fault that you have to click cookie banners. Those banners are only required if a website plans to do malicious things with the cookies. If they're used to track who's logged in, they are not required. They are more akin to the "Do not eat" warnings on silica packs... except on the internet everyone swallows.
So the EU should ban the malicious thing, instead of putting that fatigue onto all users everywhere.
It's not malicious if the user wants it to happen, that's why its asking.
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The problem with black boxes is that they beg parallel construction theories. I.e. "We don't approve loans to {ethnic majority} on purpose. We only use our models, which only rely on historical data." -> No proof, no case, no problem The point of any AI law should be to put the onus on the model executor to explain how their model doesn't violate existing law. You can use any model you want, but you can't point to it…
Companies can already do that without AI. Why would you legislate just AI and let some other company discriminate?
Why do you think they would let?
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Yes! Changing plug standard every 10 years and some cables that work with everything beats alternatives. Fuck, imagine if every devices you ever owned for last 30 years needed total of 3 different cables to connect, it would be fucking amazing.
> Fuck, imagine if every devices you ever owned for last 30 years needed total of 3 different cables to connect, it would be fucking amazing. It basically does. USB-A, USB-C, Lightning, Micro-USB.
Only back to ~2010 which is exactly when the EU introduced the mandate.
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> If you want to save a person's login to make it easier for them to log in when they come back? That's not strictly necessary - consent is needed. The consent is implied in login functionality. Literal example from same article you cited but apparently didn't bother to read in full: > These cookies are essential for you to browse the website and use its features, such as accessing secure areas of the site. Cookies t…
Which then continues... > Preferences cookies — Also known as “functionality cookies,” these cookies allow a website to remember choices you have made in the past, like what language you prefer, what region you would like weather reports for, or what your user name and password are so you can automatically log in.
Remembering username and password is different from remembering a session. You can implement "remember me" functionality just with a checkbox (which implies consent) and by extending the lifetime of the session cookie.
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> The credit score system already in place in the US is frequently as arbitrary in some cases already. You get punished for just looking at it. I don't think I need to preach to HN about that (crypto money and all that). Does Europe do it much differently? Almost every country has some kind of credit reporting system, but many of them differ from the US in how they do it. In particular, in many countries, credit bure…
> the UK and Germany are closer to the US in their approach Germany here. a) But we are still not required to "build score" b) There is currently yet another legal challenge against the Schufa (our credit scoring agency), this time in front of the ECJ.
Interesting, specially given how hard it has become to rent anything without giving a Schufa report.
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#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the UK and Germany are closer to the US in their approach Germany here. a) But we are still not required to "build score" b) There is currently yet another legal challenge against the Schufa (our credit scoring agency), this time in front of the ECJ.
Interesting, specially given how hard it has become to rent anything without giving a Schufa report.
Well, so far they more-or-less won every time. Though, from news reports, this time it seems serious. I guess we’ll see.
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#238Why the need to bring it under control? Control from what? It's not the AI that's the issue, it's the use of it that's the problem. The law shouldn't focus on the AI, for example: >The regulation, proposed by the Commission in 2021, was designed to ban some AI applications like social scoring Ban social scoring, not the AI, the tool doesn't matter. Would it be good if it was computed by hand on paper instead of throu…
But credit scores and fraud risk analysis are "social scoring".
And what's wrong with social scoring in general?
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#239Good. Thanks to the EU I have to click "cookie question" every where I go. Thanks guys for wasting the limited time I have in life.
It's not the EU's fault that you have to click cookie banners. Those banners are only required if a website plans to do malicious things with the cookies. If they're used to track who's logged in, they are not required. They are more akin to the "Do not eat" warnings on silica packs... except on the internet everyone swallows.
This is not the interpretation I've been told. All stored things i.e. cookies, local storage, tracking jpegs etc must be described to the user and have an opt out.
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#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If you want to save a person's login to make it easier for them to log in when they come back? That's not strictly necessary - consent is needed. The consent is implied in login functionality. Literal example from same article you cited but apparently didn't bother to read in full: > These cookies are essential for you to browse the website and use its features, such as accessing secure areas of the site. Cookies t…
Which then continues... > Preferences cookies — Also known as “functionality cookies,” these cookies allow a website to remember choices you have made in the past, like what language you prefer, what region you would like weather reports for, or what your user name and password are so you can automatically log in.
and then continues...
> When people complain about the privacy risks presented by cookies, they are generally speaking about third-party, persistent, marketing cookies.
Nothing is helped or solved by insisting first party "site preferences" cookies need consent. There's obviously room for interpretation in regards to what is a "strictly necessary cookie" when it comes to site preferences, account tokens etc.