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Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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In some types a lithotrity machine can do wonders. Is basically being bombed with ultrasounds while taking a long bath, so could even be doable to DIY at home if you have some maker skills and for some reason can't go to a doctor. The main concern should be to take serious care of not being electrocuted, put the speaker far and out of the water, protect your ears and assure that everything is well isolated. Using a 1…

A DIY lithotripsy machine sounds like a reeeallly bad idea...

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20576821/

> Treatment with KC is effective in preventing renal stones Not dissolving existing ones. At least not that source.

OK, a doctor told me about taking it for 6 months to dissolve smaller stones but I can't find any medical research talking about it dissolving them, so let's assume it's for prevention only.

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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> 5000 milligrams of C a day for years Vitamin C supplements are synthesized from fermentation products of corn and wheat. [0] A single lemon contains about 32 milligrams of Vitamin C, along with many other things. This study showed that it's lemon extract, not vitamin C alone, that improves kidney stones. [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24258144/

Yeah, I'd assume it's something in lemons that has the absolute opposite effect of Vitamin C, if it breaks up stones. I believe on strong circumstantial evidence that vitamin C contributes to them, so whatever lemons have, my dad should've squeezed more of it.

Citrate

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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This isn't a forum for unprofessional, unproven medical advice.

Can you give us a list of the allowed topics so we don't stray?

Ah, we can make analogue ChatGPT.

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I like that they do this in a bar rather than at home

Well, the whole point is not to sit around at home, thinking of the pain. Call it a weird theory, but I've spent a good part of my life in bars and I've never actually seen anyone die in one. This is reassuring; it means as long as I'm inside a bar, I probably won't die. The moment I hit the sidewalk outside, anything could happen. When I've gone to bars to pass kidney stones, I make sure to alert and tip the hell ou…

I cannot tell if this is a true story or not, but I don't really care. You're an excellent storyteller.

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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In some types a lithotrity machine can do wonders. Is basically being bombed with ultrasounds while taking a long bath, so could even be doable to DIY at home if you have some maker skills and for some reason can't go to a doctor. The main concern should be to take serious care of not being electrocuted, put the speaker far and out of the water, protect your ears and assure that everything is well isolated. Using a 1…

I don't know if this comment is intended seriously but just to be clear. Lithotripsy can cause acute tissue damage and long-term loss of kidney function.[1] The shock waves need to be carefully targeted at the stone and for the correct amount of time to reduce the risk of this, typically with X-ray or ultrasound. You can absolutely not do this at home!

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2900184/

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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> Worst experience I've ever had. wait... did you... have a surgery without anesthesia or something??

They consider it a surgery, but it’s not unlike a colonoscopy where there is no investing, just instruments entering orifices. I’ve had two ureteroscopies while awake without any kind of anesthetic. It’s likely the worst experience I’ve had another human inflict on me. You’re in a very vulnerable position, it’s very painful, and it induces the sensation of urinating uncontrollably. After my first, the doc decided he…

> two ureteroscopies while awake without any kind of anesthetic. It’s likely the worst experience I’ve had another human inflict on me

well, that makes me feel good, because there were trace amounts of urine in my blood not long ago and they wanted to do one of those to me, but instead I got a second opinion and test done and the trace blood had disappeared, so hopefully I dodged that bullet. it sounds terrifying

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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I opted for surgery on my 2nd stone and it was a terrible mistake IMHO I should have tried to let it pass. The first was painful but not THAT bad. Worst experience I've ever had. Now when I get a tinge of pain I immediately take Chanca Piedra and it seems to have helped for past few years, no reoccurrence, but could just be anecdotal & conicendental.

> Worst experience I've ever had. wait... did you... have a surgery without anesthesia or something??

Oh no, I was fully asleep. I remember nothing of the surgery.

The bad experience was after I woke up. The pain was excruciating. They had first tried to zap it with ultrasound but it didn't work. Then they went in and did some kind of scraping of the urethra. I know this because there was a descent amount of discharge that I can only describe as skin scrapings. It was insanely painful to pass each of these and I think it was that painful because it was passing them through the raw skin that was scraped off itself (within the urethra).

To alleviate the pain I was put on some kind of opioid pain meds for 2.5 weeks that had an insidious effect on my personality. During that time I was (without realizing it) a total unhinged ass it had a terrible effect on my working and personal relationships.

Beforehand I asked the Dr. do I need the surgery? He said "Well we don't really know. You haven't passed it yet (2 weeks) and the only way we can be absolutely sure is with with surgery." There was no real explanation about the tradeoffs of how painful scrapings etc would be.

After the fact, the cynic in me wondered, was this guy gaming the system by tipping the scales in favor of surgery (since he was the one to do the surgery in private US medical healthcare system). FYI It was a 4-5mm stone.

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> Worst experience I've ever had. wait... did you... have a surgery without anesthesia or something??

They consider it a surgery, but it’s not unlike a colonoscopy where there is no investing, just instruments entering orifices. I’ve had two ureteroscopies while awake without any kind of anesthetic. It’s likely the worst experience I’ve had another human inflict on me. You’re in a very vulnerable position, it’s very painful, and it induces the sensation of urinating uncontrollably. After my first, the doc decided he…

FYI I replied about the particulars of the surgery here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35036735 . I post this because I don't think you would get notified otherwise.

It was nothing like a colonoscopy!

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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I opted for surgery on my 2nd stone and it was a terrible mistake IMHO I should have tried to let it pass. The first was painful but not THAT bad. Worst experience I've ever had. Now when I get a tinge of pain I immediately take Chanca Piedra and it seems to have helped for past few years, no reoccurrence, but could just be anecdotal & conicendental.

What procedure, and what was a mistake about it? I've had to have a 5mm stone removed endoscopically, and that didn't seem to do me any harm, although I was anesthetized for the procedure - if that's the difference, then say no more, as I'm sure it would have been fairly agonizing if I'd been aware of what was going on at the time.

FYI I replied about the particulars of the surgery here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35036735 . I post this because I don't think you would get notified otherwise.

It was super painful!

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