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Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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Thanks I'll look it up! Also, I took some time off the booze, oh the irony...

It's specifically beer which has the ability to dissolve the most common type of kidney stones. You can try the alcohol-free versions which work as well ;-)

Wait , you’re serious ?

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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Was your pain acute? I get a stone in my right kidney every 5 to 7 years. My pain is usually very acute. I like to describe it as somebody slamming a large needle into my abdomen. Think Uma Thurman in Pulp Fiction. These days my regimen is to avoid caffeine. I don't know if it's working, I had a year long relapse during COVID as caffeine free coke became unavailable. I'm due for my next one.

The pain was beyond acute. When it first occurred I was sitting on the couch. I went from being perfectly normal, to being slightly uncomfortable, to thinking I had a back or stomach cramp, to thinking I needed to use the restroom, to thinking I needed to go to urgent care, to knowing I needed to go to the emergency room all in about 5-10 minutes. But at times, the pain was so radiating that I thought my abdomen woul…

Sounds like me. I occasionally get heartburn and worry that the Tums are a contributing factor but they are the only thing that provides consistent and immediate relief.

Stay hydrated and good luck!

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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Time I made a habit of drinking lemonade - a suggestion I'd have expected from my urologist, but not one I'm sorry to have run across whatever the source.

A good way to dissolve your enamel and get cavities. See a urologist instead.

...he said, in direct response to a comment which includes the phrase "my urologist."

I can see that you know how to produce language, albeit by all appearances rarely at best to worthwhile effect. Do you know at all how to consume it? Or is jumping to wrong conclusions and then being snide about them the only trick you have?

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Calcium stones run all along the male side of my family too.. and I've had a few. The notion to me that lemonade would be helpful is counterintuitive. Generally we've come to understand that high doses of Vitamin C are part of the problem, because that's been something the men in my family do to ward off sickness - but my father, who took 5000 milligrams of C a day for years, always got the worst stones of all. >> 2.…

This isn't a forum for unprofessional, unproven medical advice.

Can you give us a list of the allowed topics so we don't stray?

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> Worst experience I've ever had. wait... did you... have a surgery without anesthesia or something??

They consider it a surgery, but it’s not unlike a colonoscopy where there is no investing, just instruments entering orifices. I’ve had two ureteroscopies while awake without any kind of anesthetic. It’s likely the worst experience I’ve had another human inflict on me. You’re in a very vulnerable position, it’s very painful, and it induces the sensation of urinating uncontrollably. After my first, the doc decided he…

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Autocorrect!

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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Calcium stones run all along the male side of my family too.. and I've had a few. The notion to me that lemonade would be helpful is counterintuitive. Generally we've come to understand that high doses of Vitamin C are part of the problem, because that's been something the men in my family do to ward off sickness - but my father, who took 5000 milligrams of C a day for years, always got the worst stones of all. >> 2.…

This isn't a forum for unprofessional, unproven medical advice.

Let me be the first to state that nothing I have said here is intended as medical advice. [edit: I also specifically called it "family folk wisdom" which is about as clear as anyone can get that it's not scientific medical advice] Like everything else around here, it's just one person's opinion, and no one has leverage to brigade for or against it, which we all appreciate about this board. Just ignore it if it bugs you, or argue the damn thing on its merits, tell me what a fucking idiot I am if that helps; no one's reading this except you and me and like 30 other people, and their minds aren't going to be changed whatever the outcome of our conversation is.

I'd say if you're here to make a point about how to make a point, you're sort of missing the point.

Skip attacking the style and get down to arguing the content. You're thankfully not limited here to 140/280 characters.

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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It looks [1] like limes have about as much citric acid, so cherry limeade should be as good an option, too! [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2637791/

Instead of dissolving tooth enamel, working on cavities, and type-2 diabetes perhaps take magnesium citrate in reasonable amounts in pill form. There is no sense to drinking sugar water.

Can you link a study showing that magnesium citrate pills block the progression of kidney stones? If not, I'll stick with lemonade, which does have such a study. I don't need to put sugar in it.

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False, fraudulent medical advice. Nothing can dissolve a kidney stone.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20576821/

> Treatment with KC is effective in preventing renal stones

Not dissolving existing ones. At least not that source.

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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I'm a veteran calcium oxalate stone former; I've ended up in hospital three times because of them, and my last scan showed I currently am carrying 16 of them, (plus 3 bonus bladder stones). I'd thought I'd pass on what I've learned in the last 30 years; if helps one person, then I've been useful. 1. Drink lots of water (actually a very dilute lime juice/cranberry juice mix). I aim for 4 litres/1 gallon a day, more in…

Calcium stones run all along the male side of my family too.. and I've had a few. The notion to me that lemonade would be helpful is counterintuitive. Generally we've come to understand that high doses of Vitamin C are part of the problem, because that's been something the men in my family do to ward off sickness - but my father, who took 5000 milligrams of C a day for years, always got the worst stones of all. >> 2.…

> 5000 milligrams of C a day for years

Vitamin C supplements are synthesized from fermentation products of corn and wheat. [0]

A single lemon contains about 32 milligrams of Vitamin C, along with many other things. This study showed that it's lemon extract, not vitamin C alone, that improves kidney stones.

[0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24258144/

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