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Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Post by that_guy_iain »

anonyfox wrote: post #236

The important point is not with rails, but with local public transport (s-bahn, metro, buses, streetcars, ...), and that the tariff zones are basically eliminated with that. iE in hamburg where I live, a monthly subscription costs around 120+€ per month, assuming you only need the "center" of the city area. If you live a bit more outside, or even in some adjacent village, you have to pay for every single tariff zone…

In Berlin, the monthly ticket is 89 euros for the two main zones. It goes to 107 euros for all zones. Basically, halfs your monthly outgoings just for Berlin travel. Then add in the ability to travel it's looking really good. Can't wait for it to be available.

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Post by abliefern »

projektfu wrote: post #162
eastbound wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> still too expensive for people with low incomes It can be said about anything . 49€ per month for transportation in all cities is 5% of a low-income salary; Saying that this effort is not enough validates the theorem that no government is left enough for a leftist to stop saying “It’s not really left”.

If 49€ is too much, how are they getting to work now? If they can walk or bike to work, they don't need rail. If their current fare is less, they presumably can continue using it. In my area, lower-income workers still usually need cars. They spend at least this much on gas each month. There's a lack of reliable transit options which makes a vicious cycle of low ridership and fewer options. I wish we could build out…

45% of people in Germany don't work.

Many with low incomes who do work have access to free or cheap transport tickets as part of social benefits.

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Post by [deleted] »

lispm wrote: post #229
kmlx wrote: post #206

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> We need trains that are more or less on time. i keep seeing these kinds of comments. 10 years ago i made the mistake of crossing the whole of germany by train. was a complete waste of my time. since trains are basically a solved problem (see japan, china etc), i don't get why these issues still happen in developed nations.

China has 1.4 billion people and 150000km rail tracks. Germany has 0.082 billion people and 40000km rail tracks. Japan has a very different train system on an island. Germany is in the middle of Europe with a mesh of trains, long-distance and local - connected to all of Europe. One can take an excellent French high-speed train going from Germany to Paris/France. From my home-town there are freight trains directly goi…

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Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Post by lispm »

sprash wrote: post #99
hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why it's even more impressive it took off in Germany which is normally very protective of its car industry.

It's not that impressive if you consider that the current government in Germany is driving a massive de-industrialization campaign. Destroying the own car industry fits well in the agenda.

In reality Germany just last year reached the highest number of cars ever: 48.54 million cars. Now with roughly 84 million people.

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Post by ant6n »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #61
siva7 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not quite in the interest of the car manufacturers that public transportation is cheaper than cars which is one of the reasons this took so long.

That's why it's even more impressive it took off in Germany which is normally very protective of its car industry.

The car Minister has been trying to slow down the introduction of the ticket and increase the price while trying to look like he’s working towards the ticket. This 49€ ticket is basically a permanent continuation of last summer’s 9€ ticket, which existed for 3 months.

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Post by WinstonSmith84 »

tmalsburg2 wrote: post #196
msavio wrote: post #105

> But the Deutschlandticket is not the end of the story: to make it still more attractive, German Rail is also planning to introduce more modern and faster trains. According to the Federal Ministry of Transport, this will create almost 20,000 new seats on long-distance services. The mentioned trains are ICE long-distance trains. Exactly those that are not included in the ticket the article is about. It does not make…

We don't need faster trains in Germany. We need trains that are more or less on time. Punctuality is a complete disaster and probably the main reason why people hate taking the train in Germany. If you have a connection that requires changing to another train, the chance that you miss your connection is too damn high.

Germany has very few fast trains ... going fast (not many train tracks are built for fast trains). It got better in the last few years, but there is still a lot to do (and catch up with France). As for the "regional" trains (that this offer is talking about), they go really slow and are just for people commuting. This kind of monthly offer would be sort of interesting if it were to apply to the ICE trains, as currently the price is very prohibitive (e.g. I paid last week ~90EUR for a second class ticket from Frankfurt airport to the nearby city of Cologne, not even 200km away - driving a Porsche is cheaper per km...)

As for the reason of many of the delays, it's good to know a problem specific to Germany (and e.g. not France). Human transportation trains and freight transportation trains share the same tracks. And freight is obviously very slow.

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Post by ttoinou »

JanSt wrote: post #43

My wife had a daily 45km rail+2km bus trip to work which was 200€ per month. That's massive savings for many people who choose not to drive with cars. Her colleagues drive to work with cars for 2 km trips and ask her whether she does not own a car (we do). Taking the train is a) cheaper b) more relaxed (can read) c) better for the environment d) it's even faster in her case The €49 ticket could give public transporta…

How can it be better for the environment if your electricity is generated by coal ?

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Post by drowsspa »

konha wrote: post #226
drowsspa wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, yes? It must be infuriating to see a bus artificially stopping just to get the exact schedule. Of course the starting from the first station it should leave on time, but on intermediate stations I find it pretty ok to be a couple of minutes off.

Great. So now you miss the bus when you arrive at the stop on time and have to wait for the next one. (Matters less when the next one arrives a couple of minutes later of course.) Route planning in congested cities is a complex problem and following a schedule as close as possible is one of the ways to ensure you can do any kind of route planning involving a change of line.

Would buses be arriving 20 minutes earlier otherwise? I'd very much rather arrive at the station a little earlier than knowing I could already be at my destination if it weren't for these artificial punctuality stops.

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Post by roywiggins »

ttoinou wrote: post #247
JanSt wrote: post #43

My wife had a daily 45km rail+2km bus trip to work which was 200€ per month. That's massive savings for many people who choose not to drive with cars. Her colleagues drive to work with cars for 2 km trips and ask her whether she does not own a car (we do). Taking the train is a) cheaper b) more relaxed (can read) c) better for the environment d) it's even faster in her case The €49 ticket could give public transporta…

How can it be better for the environment if your electricity is generated by coal ?

Energy efficiency. Even a diesel train is going to be better than a personal automobile.
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