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Post by fauigerzigerk »

chaostheory wrote: post #76
andy_ppp wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ever centralisation around one man is incredibly short sighted. The Chinese system used to be much more sophisticated, having both a very capitalistic view of the world and a very communistic view. They have completely lost half of that and even the communism will disappear if things start going wrong - all that will be left is maintaining the dictatorship at all costs.

Deng Xiaoping created the seeds of destruction for his reforms when he crushed the peaceful democracy protesters in Tiananmen. This has led to mess after mess with Jiang Zemin, leading eventually to the biggest disaster of them all: Xi In an alternate timeline, one can imagine what a democratic China would look like: - Silicon Valley would have been long overtaken by Shenzhen - Chinese media would have been a strong…

I hesitate to say this because I'm certainly not in favour of crushing any democracy movements. But it is hard not to think that a different alternate timeline could resemble what has happened in Russia after Gorbachev did not crush the democracy movement.

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Post by gebruikersnaam »

anonymouskimmer wrote: post #161
gebruikersnaam wrote: post #134

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> I think he meant that Russia is pretty much surrounded by NATO allies, excluding of course China And Kazakhstan. And Mongolia. And North Korea. And Belarus.

> > NATO allies, excluding > And Mongolia https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-mongolia/ > Bordered by Russia and China, Mongolia describes the United States as its most important “third neighbor.” In 2019, the United States and Mongolia upgraded their bilateral relationship to a Strategic Partnership. > Mongolia deployed troops to Iraq from 2003 through October 2008. In Afghanistan, Mongolian soldiers supported…

Iran have helped the US in Afghanistan, do you consider them a NATO ally?

Just like surrounding, the meaning of ally needs changing to accommodate one's world view.

Re: Chinese banks cause alarm as capital flight measures intensify

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Post by oleksii88 »

favaq wrote: post #163
oleksii88 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When exactly did US invade Ukraine? (And at least here at HN you avoid the most obvious propaganda cliches) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where_have_you_been_for_eigh...

You call it a cliche, not a lie ;-)

It's a lie by default like any other Russian narratives nowadays. You just happen to use the most crocked one which I pointed out

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Post by s1artibartfast »

andy_ppp wrote: post #139
wsc981 wrote: post #104

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I think he meant that Russia is pretty much surrounded by NATO allies, excluding of course China and this is something Russia is not to happy about (stated this many times in the past as NATO was expanding).

If they were really scared of more NATO invading Ukraine is the fastest way to get a larger border with NATO (win or lose).

Ukraine joining NATO has been a hotbutton topic for the last 10 years. It was decided 6 months before the invasion that it would Ukraine would join, and I don't the two facts are entirely unrelated.

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Post by baybal2 »

chaostheory wrote: post #76
andy_ppp wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ever centralisation around one man is incredibly short sighted. The Chinese system used to be much more sophisticated, having both a very capitalistic view of the world and a very communistic view. They have completely lost half of that and even the communism will disappear if things start going wrong - all that will be left is maintaining the dictatorship at all costs.

Deng Xiaoping created the seeds of destruction for his reforms when he crushed the peaceful democracy protesters in Tiananmen. This has led to mess after mess with Jiang Zemin, leading eventually to the biggest disaster of them all: Xi In an alternate timeline, one can imagine what a democratic China would look like: - Silicon Valley would have been long overtaken by Shenzhen - Chinese media would have been a strong…

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

pastacacioepepe wrote: post #108
roenxi wrote: post #62

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> A few weeks ago I was pretty sure that Beijing would not be that stupid... The US is executing the same broad strategy against both China and Russia - surrounding them with US-friendly states who then get military support. It seems to be working extremely well against Russia since they can barely get Russian troops into the Donbass safely. While I, personally, agree that it would be stupid I can certainly see that…

> The US is executing the same broad strategy against both China and Russia - surrounding them with US-friendly states who then get military support. It seems to be working extremely well against Russia since they can barely get Russian troops into the Donbass safely. Following this then it would make sense for both China and Russia to feel threatened and react accordingly. I would expect the US to react even harder…

> I would expect the US to react even harder if any of their "enemies" would setup a missile base in Mexico or Canada.

The U.S. and Russia both made security guarantees to remove nuclear missiles from Ukraine following the breakup of the USSR. The closest-to-Russia NATO member with forward-deployed US nuclear weapons is Turkey, and it's been a NATO member since 1952. https://www.newsweek.com/nato-us-nuclear-weapons-europe-site...

The cold war never got hot with US nuclear missile subs in Russian waters, and vice versa with Russian nuclear missile subs in US water.

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Post by mistermann »

xoa wrote: post #125
roenxi wrote: post #62

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> A few weeks ago I was pretty sure that Beijing would not be that stupid... The US is executing the same broad strategy against both China and Russia - surrounding them with US-friendly states who then get military support. It seems to be working extremely well against Russia since they can barely get Russian troops into the Donbass safely. While I, personally, agree that it would be stupid I can certainly see that…

> surrounding them with US-friendly states who then get military support As is the standard playbook of dictator/authoritarian apologism, you completely reverse causality here and deny non-authoritarian countries self-determination. The US isn't "executing a strategy" or "surrounding [Russia/China]", it's that Russia and China are engaging in terrifying behavior, attacking and undermining their surrounding countries,…

When one is designing theories, it can often be useful to keep in mind that they are theories.

For example:

> As is the standard playbook of dictator/authoritarian apologism, you completely reverse causality here...

You don't actually know the causality, because it cannot be known, it can only be predicted and believed. I think it may also not be possible to not do this, depending on the individual and their cultural/educational background.

> Stop committing mass murder, rape, genocide, child abduction, theft, purposeful destruction of civilian infrastructure, and war crimes in general.

You first lamow.

It's usually fairly easy and non-controversial to stay grounded when one is working with computer systems (or similar), but when working with large biological systems it can be much harder to remember, which is kind of counterintuitive considering the complexity of the systems is infinitely larger. I think if one is embedded within a system, that might be the differentiating psychological factor?

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

gebruikersnaam wrote: post #172
anonymouskimmer wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> > NATO allies, excluding > And Mongolia https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-mongolia/ > Bordered by Russia and China, Mongolia describes the United States as its most important “third neighbor.” In 2019, the United States and Mongolia upgraded their bilateral relationship to a Strategic Partnership. > Mongolia deployed troops to Iraq from 2003 through October 2008. In Afghanistan, Mongolian soldiers supported…

Iran have helped the US in Afghanistan, do you consider them a NATO ally? Just like surrounding, the meaning of ally needs changing to accommodate one's world view.

Citation? And please, a post-Shah citation.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/26/world/middleeast/iran-tal...

> For 20 years, Iranian officials have said they wanted the U.S. military out of Afghanistan. Iran supplied Afghan insurgents with weapons to use against American soldiers. It sheltered Al Qaeda’s top leaders in Tehran. It courted the Taliban with diplomatic visits, covertly and then publicly.

The best I can find is an "enemy of my enemy" relationship, which has never been considered an alliance.

https://www.usip.org/publications/2018/06/iran-and-afghanist...

>For decades, Tehran has supported the Hazara, a Shia minority and the third largest ethnic group in Afghanistan. In the 1990s, the Taliban government repressed the Hazara—excluding them politically, isolating them economically, and killing more than 1,000—during the civil war that erupted after the 1989 Soviet withdrawal. Tensions heightened in 1998, when the Taliban killed nine Iranian diplomats working at a consulate in northern Mazar-i-Sharif. After the 9/11 attacks and the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan, Iran worked closely with the United States and regional powers to establish a new Afghan government free of the Taliban.

> Iran’s relationship with the Taliban shifted, however, as U.S. and NATO forces stayed in Afghanistan. Tehran viewed the Taliban as a useful tool to counter U.S. influence on its borders. It provided Taliban forces with enough military equipment to pressure the United States but not enough to generate American military retaliation. In 2016, the Taliban chief, Mullah Akhtar Mansour, was killed in a U.S. drone strike as he returned from a secret visit in Iran to his sanctuary in Pakistan. By 2017, Russia reportedly used Iran to funnel weapons to the Taliban.

Re: Chinese banks cause alarm as capital flight measures intensify

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Post by koonsolo »

macinjosh wrote: post #80
andy_ppp wrote: post #53

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Bought fully into the Russian propaganda then… you’d do well to listen to pretty much any interview by Fiona Hill and you’d quickly realise there’s nothing the US wants less than borders starting to be changed by wars; there are so many disputed lines that it could lead to conflicts all over the world. China starting a proxy war with the US and Europe is going to be extremely bad for business.

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Maybe the Ukrainian people want to live in a democracy, and don't want to be ruled by a Russian dictator.

Have you ever considered that idea?

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Post by andsoitis »

favaq wrote: post #163
oleksii88 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When exactly did US invade Ukraine? (And at least here at HN you avoid the most obvious propaganda cliches) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where_have_you_been_for_eigh...

You call it a cliche, not a lie ;-)

Propaganda are lies.
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