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Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Post by _Microft »

sandworm101 wrote: post #62
JanSt wrote: post #43

My wife had a daily 45km rail+2km bus trip to work which was 200€ per month. That's massive savings for many people who choose not to drive with cars. Her colleagues drive to work with cars for 2 km trips and ask her whether she does not own a car (we do). Taking the train is a) cheaper b) more relaxed (can read) c) better for the environment d) it's even faster in her case The €49 ticket could give public transporta…

Cool, if you live near a rail line in a major city. Not everyone has that luxury. Im standing about 300km from the nearest passenger rail setvice. It is 0530, -25c, and i am about to drive 18km to work (government/military). Trains or even busses are a distant concept here.

Ok, you better have a car then?

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Post by kehrin »

sandworm101 wrote: post #62
JanSt wrote: post #43

My wife had a daily 45km rail+2km bus trip to work which was 200€ per month. That's massive savings for many people who choose not to drive with cars. Her colleagues drive to work with cars for 2 km trips and ask her whether she does not own a car (we do). Taking the train is a) cheaper b) more relaxed (can read) c) better for the environment d) it's even faster in her case The €49 ticket could give public transporta…

Cool, if you live near a rail line in a major city. Not everyone has that luxury. Im standing about 300km from the nearest passenger rail setvice. It is 0530, -25c, and i am about to drive 18km to work (government/military). Trains or even busses are a distant concept here.

Whats the point of this comment? You're obviously an extreme outlier. Are you implying the 49€ ticket is bad because it isn't an improvement for every single citizen?

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Post by _ph_ »

eastbound wrote: post #7
johndoe0815 wrote: post #2

This is outdated, currently the planned start date is May 1st. However, there seem to be still discussions about implementation details (availability only in an app vs. as a chip card or on paper, use of a subscription model). It's a horrible mess - and still too expensive for people with low incomes. In hindsight, it is amazing that the 9 Euro ticket experiment last year worked at all.

> still too expensive for people with low incomes It can be said about anything . 49€ per month for transportation in all cities is 5% of a low-income salary; Saying that this effort is not enough validates the theorem that no government is left enough for a leftist to stop saying “It’s not really left”.

There are unfortunately too many people in Germany, who will struggle even with 49€, though it is a huge improvement for many. I am thinking mostly about retired people with a small pension, which struggle to just pay for food towards the end of the month. For them, the 9€ ticket was a game-changer, I hope there will be some support programs to make the 49€ ticket available for all retired people. The fact, that it covers regional trains all over Germany means a lot for their mobility.

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Post by MrJohz »

wslh wrote: post #59

I read the text but for me it was not clear the following: does this include intercity trips or "only" a plain ticket within the city?

It include any trips using regional trains or city public transport (so, broadly, any train with an "R" or "S" in the name). That includes travel between cities, but it won't include the fast intercity trains (IC, ICE, EC) that most people use to travel longer distances.

So essentially you can get across most of Germany with this ticket, but for longer distances you'd probably be looking at a significantly longer and more complicated journey than if you just took a more direct intercity route.

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Post by msavio »

> But the Deutschlandticket is not the end of the story: to make it still more attractive, German Rail is also planning to introduce more modern and faster trains. According to the Federal Ministry of Transport, this will create almost 20,000 new seats on long-distance services.

The mentioned trains are ICE long-distance trains. Exactly those that are not included in the ticket the article is about. It does not make sense to even mention them here, and is wrong to conclude that "it" gets more attractive.

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Post by lm28469 »

sandworm101 wrote: post #62
JanSt wrote: post #43

My wife had a daily 45km rail+2km bus trip to work which was 200€ per month. That's massive savings for many people who choose not to drive with cars. Her colleagues drive to work with cars for 2 km trips and ask her whether she does not own a car (we do). Taking the train is a) cheaper b) more relaxed (can read) c) better for the environment d) it's even faster in her case The €49 ticket could give public transporta…

Cool, if you live near a rail line in a major city. Not everyone has that luxury. Im standing about 300km from the nearest passenger rail setvice. It is 0530, -25c, and i am about to drive 18km to work (government/military). Trains or even busses are a distant concept here.

> Im standing about 300km from the nearest passenger rail setvice

Well in germany if you stand in the center of it you're literally 300km away from almost every single train station of the country.

Trains work for dense countries, if you live in the middle of nowhere in Northern canada or some shit you're obviously not the target

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Post by locallost »

sokoloff wrote: post #92
locallost wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can still try that, but that's not the intention. The target audience are basically commuters. I had a colleague a couple years ago that went around 100km total both ways to work. He briefly considered switching to train but balked at the price of about 200 per month. This despite the fact that gas cost him more, his car commute was longer and he was paying for a parking spot. I guess the logic was he already pai…

I’m skeptical given that reducing your colleague’s cost from around 1000€/mo all-in (inc. parking) to 200€/mo wasn’t enough that a further reduction to 50€/mo will tip the scales.

Fair, but I think people are not good in looking at the big picture. The old price was in the ballpark of the costs people notice (gas). But the proof is in the pudding, so we will see.

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Post by lnsru »

I will buy this. Current ticket costs 165€ a month. My employer is forcing to come to the office 4 days a week. Living at the last train station I will get a seat in a train and can use my commute time as working time. By car it’s twice faster of course, but then commute time isn’t working time.

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Post by pretext-1 »

OJFord wrote: post #52
Zetobal wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about the conductor...

Why not? You (as the seller) don't care if someone buys a ticket they're not eligible to use and has to come back for another one, or never uses it, or whatever. You'd be checking eligibility at point of use anyway.

* It’s inefficient. Eligibility must only be confirmed once while ticket control happens often. Ticket control needs to be fast. * Training all inspectors to verify student IDs is much more effort compared to training people at point of sale only. * Many places also accept tickets with student badge instead of student IDs for verification.

This is probably also the reason we don’t get discounted 49€-tickets yet. They’re sold digitally so they can’t check the student ID at point of sale.

A digital student ID could improve this but implementing this internationally is hard.

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Post by ghaff »

johnchristopher wrote: post #79
sandworm101 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cool, if you live near a rail line in a major city. Not everyone has that luxury. Im standing about 300km from the nearest passenger rail setvice. It is 0530, -25c, and i am about to drive 18km to work (government/military). Trains or even busses are a distant concept here.

IMO, it's the other way around. I'd rather have the luxury of a 18km drive to work than my current 70km train trip + 8 minute bus to work. Which means 90 minutes morning commute, 90 minutes evening commute. Yeah, apples to oranges.

At one point, I had a 90-minute one-way some-days commute. Even though that included an only few minute drive to the train station, that wasn't really sustainable long-term. It's just a big chunk out of your day even if driving was mostly a worse option.
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