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Re: Facebook and Google hand over user data, help police prosecute abortion seekers

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Post by concordDance »

psychphysic wrote: post #21
throwntoday wrote: post #5

Abortions were a convenient way to keep women locked into the workforce. There could be no escape from wageslaving. Now that the population is in the shitter, they criminalize abortion.

That's at least a tertiary factor in "freeing" women. 1. The creation of domestic appliances that dramatically shorten house hold chores (washing clothing is a main one). 2. The move from the bulk of work labour being less physical. Both meant there was less time needed to maintain a household, previously that was a full time job that seemed unpaid. And that women had suitable roles available in the work force where…

Indeed. A household with a single wage earner will have a lot more free time. Its not just cleaning and cooking, it's paying bills, organising holidays, going shopping, arranging events/parties, socialising with neighbours, taking kids places, birthday cards/presents, keeping up with local council issues to be able to vote sensibly... the list goes on.

Honestly, given where the productivity gains of women in the workforce went (not to the actual workers), we'd probably have a better quality of life if only half the household adults worked.

Re: Facebook and Google hand over user data, help police prosecute abortion seekers

#102

Post by aunty_helen »

markles wrote: post #57
jeroenhd wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Firstly, can you even prosecute a woman for abortion? Aren't they legal? In case you've been living under a rock for the last while: several American states have banned abortions[0][1] after the Supreme Court overturned Roe vs Wade. The federal government failed to implement any laws to safeguard access to abortions so overturning Roe vs Wade was all that conservatives needed. Some states have exceptions for rape a…

> In case you've been living under a rock for the last while: It might surprise you, but people who don't live in America probably don't follow, nor care about the politics going on in specific states.

This was a big thing my dude. Coverage from all angles in multiple countries outside the us.

Re: Facebook and Google hand over user data, help police prosecute abortion seekers

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Post by matsemann »

markles wrote: post #57
jeroenhd wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Firstly, can you even prosecute a woman for abortion? Aren't they legal? In case you've been living under a rock for the last while: several American states have banned abortions[0][1] after the Supreme Court overturned Roe vs Wade. The federal government failed to implement any laws to safeguard access to abortions so overturning Roe vs Wade was all that conservatives needed. Some states have exceptions for rape a…

> In case you've been living under a rock for the last while: It might surprise you, but people who don't live in America probably don't follow, nor care about the politics going on in specific states.

Then they should perhaps read up on the situation before commenting? Like, this is the first sentence in the article we're discussing:

> As abortion bans across the nation are implemented and enforced (...)

So claiming ignorance is not a valid point.

Re: Facebook and Google hand over user data, help police prosecute abortion seekers

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Post by misnome »

markles wrote: post #57
jeroenhd wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Firstly, can you even prosecute a woman for abortion? Aren't they legal? In case you've been living under a rock for the last while: several American states have banned abortions[0][1] after the Supreme Court overturned Roe vs Wade. The federal government failed to implement any laws to safeguard access to abortions so overturning Roe vs Wade was all that conservatives needed. Some states have exceptions for rape a…

> In case you've been living under a rock for the last while: It might surprise you, but people who don't live in America probably don't follow, nor care about the politics going on in specific states.

This ceases to be a valid excuse when those people then jump into the middle of a discussion exclusively about laws and politics in the US.

Re: Facebook and Google hand over user data, help police prosecute abortion seekers

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Post by lelanthran »

concordDance wrote: post #69
jeroenhd wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Firstly, can you even prosecute a woman for abortion? Aren't they legal? In case you've been living under a rock for the last while: several American states have banned abortions[0][1] after the Supreme Court overturned Roe vs Wade. The federal government failed to implement any laws to safeguard access to abortions so overturning Roe vs Wade was all that conservatives needed. Some states have exceptions for rape a…

> I agree, if the police finds other illegal acts during a legal investigation, they should be allowed to act on that. I'm not sure this principle is a good one. Almost everyone had probably broken a law or two (yes, this meane there are too many bad laws, let me know if youve an idea of how to solve that), so by investigating someone for some random thing they haven't done you've got a good chance of finding somethi…

> I'm not sure this principle is a good one. Almost everyone had probably broken a law or two (yes, this meane there are too many bad laws, let me know if youve an idea of how to solve that), so by investigating someone for some random thing they haven't done you've got a good chance of finding something. This de facto gives imprisonment powers to the police and prosecutors office, giving plenty of opportunity for corruption.

Well, that's not going to work out well - LEOs investigating a shoplifter should just ignore the corpse lying in the backyard?

It's just no going to fly - crimes are crimes, and if you want a crime to be not-a-crime then follow the legal process in your jurisdiction to make it so.

Re: Facebook and Google hand over user data, help police prosecute abortion seekers

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Post by lelanthran »

mulmen wrote: post #35
lelanthran wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> User chat logs and search history released by social media companies to police can be used to prosecute people for abortion, even when they are being investigated for other reasons. Firstly, can you even prosecute a woman for abortion? Aren't they legal? Secondly, if the abortion is illegal, it's not unusual for the state to prosecute someone when the investigation of that person reveals other crimes. What would yo…

You should do the bare minimum to familiarize yourself before wading in to this particular topic. Abortion legality varies by state in the US. This is a recent development. I wouldn’t expect to be prosecuted, or even investigated, for typing “how people get away with bank robbery” into Google. Or for watching The Dark Knight.

> You should do the bare minimum to familiarize yourself before wading in to this particular topic.

I did, and my understanding is that any secondary crimes uncovered during an investigation of a crime can be pursued.

What about that do you disagree with?

Re: Facebook and Google hand over user data, help police prosecute abortion seekers

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Post by lapcat »

madsmith wrote: post #100
lapcat wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The article seems to imply that the big social media companies should selectively comply with a valid warrant They already selectively comply: "According to internal statistics provided by Meta, the company complies with government requests for user data more than 70% of the time".

And the other 30% is unknown so we can’t say they selectively comply. It’s quite possible the other 30% are invalid warrants, in which case there’s nothing to comply with.

Social media companies can't decide that a warrant is "invalid". Only a court can decide that.

From the article:

> Goldman indicated examples where internet services affirmatively go to court to protect user interest, "but those are the exceptions." "There's thousands of requests for every one of those cases"

Re: Facebook and Google hand over user data, help police prosecute abortion seekers

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Post by mgraczyk »

IMO the most realistic way to improve this situation is to get more people using E2EE chat apps, and fight against any attempt by government to weaken or ban encryption.

Meta the company hates this and is spending money on ads trying to get people to use WhatsApp with end to end encryption for things like this.

Re: Facebook and Google hand over user data, help police prosecute abortion seekers

#110

Post by tbran »

croes wrote: post #12

Those who have nothing to hide have nothing to fear. Unless they change the laws and suddenly you have something to hide.

Along the lines of surveillance I heard this one:

When you pass mass surveillance laws you are trusting the people in power now, but also the future people in power.

This framing can make you think about many laws differently.

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