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Continuous growth is cancer

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Re: Continuous growth is cancer

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Post by svnt »

corbulo wrote: post #58
wizofaus wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing inherently special about the type of growth that tends to be focused on currently - it just happens to be what we've already got mechanisms in place to measure and requires relatively minimal effort to maintain. If a democratically elected government can, with the advice of appropriate experts, develop better metrics for measuring growth and determining its long term viability, how is that a bad thing…

You're saying Joe Biden or Trump or Kamala Harris should have the ultimate authority over growth? Those are the people you trust to cap human potential?

You understand they don’t make laws, right?

Re: Continuous growth is cancer

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Post by abigail95 »

fzeroracer wrote: post #57
deafpolygon wrote: post #28

Says growth is bad, layoff sucks, then: > If you agree and you’re looking for a technical lead in your company, “check me out on LinkedIn” I mean, what company is gonna want to hire someone who thinks growth and expansion is bad.

Companies that can reach a happy equilibrium? Consider the following: Valve software is a tiny company in comparison to any other company out there, yet they make steady revenue. Do you think Valve could be in a better spot if instead they spent all of their money on rapidly growing their business? The fact that Valve is a private company and not completely beholden to the endless growth that companies prioritize mea…

> it can do things other companies cannot

which in this case seems to be lower growth and fewer jobs. good trade, but not one i would make personally.

Re: Continuous growth is cancer

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Post by abigail95 »

you obviously can't be against all growth else you would live as a hunter-gatherer.

a more principled objection to the current situation is that you are against volatility.

but to have this position you have to prove ethically/morally/economically that hiring 100 and firing 90 is worse than hiring 10, which is a very high bar to clear and not one i've ever seen a convincing argument for.

Re: Continuous growth is cancer

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Post by op00to »

waffletower wrote: post #50

“I´d like to share a revelation that I´ve had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species, and I realized that you’re not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way can survive is t…

As someone who dealt with a rabbit infestation, there is no natural equilibrium.

Re: Continuous growth is cancer

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Post by luckylion »

ChatGTP wrote: post #62
411111111111111 wrote: post #60

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While it's a funny quote it couldn't be further from the truth. All mammals will do this, modern society is just significantly more successful at it.

To say it another way, humans don't have any natural predators to keep populations in check? We do however seem to be developing a common conscience that seems to be headed in the right direction with regards to sustainability.

It doesn't need to be a predator, it can also be food. We certainly have food shortages and mass starvations. We've gotten a lot better at producing food, but it's not a solved problem at all, we've just moved the limit.

Re: Continuous growth is cancer

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Post by hungryforcodes »

tjpnz wrote: post #64
waffletower wrote: post #50

“I´d like to share a revelation that I´ve had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species, and I realized that you’re not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way can survive is t…

Lana Wachowski did us dirty not bringing back Hugo Weaving for Matrix 4.

He declined the role if I recall.

Re: Continuous growth is cancer

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Post by tjpnz »

hungryforcodes wrote: post #76
tjpnz wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lana Wachowski did us dirty not bringing back Hugo Weaving for Matrix 4.

He declined the role if I recall.

He was tied up with a stage show at the time, if they could've waited he would've reprised his role. Wouldn't have hurt box office performance if they did given the film was ultimately released at the tail end of Covid.

Re: Continuous growth is cancer

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Post by spoiler »

op00to wrote: post #74
waffletower wrote: post #50

“I´d like to share a revelation that I´ve had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species, and I realized that you’re not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way can survive is t…

As someone who dealt with a rabbit infestation, there is no natural equilibrium.

Can you provide more context on this? I have so many questions

It probably wasn't a funny experience for you, but this made me laugh.

Re: Continuous growth is cancer

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Post by yakubin »

tjpnz wrote: post #64
waffletower wrote: post #50

“I´d like to share a revelation that I´ve had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species, and I realized that you’re not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way can survive is t…

Lana Wachowski did us dirty not bringing back Hugo Weaving for Matrix 4.

Hugo Weaving is too good for Matrix 4.

Re: Continuous growth is cancer

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Post by roenxi »

trilbyglens wrote: post #67
gruez wrote: post #13

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>Growth is not inherently good, uncontrolled growth is certainly not. That's a nice soundbite, but what does that translate into in terms of actual policy? Do we cap growth at 2% or whatever and call it a day?

What it looks like is putting far more regulation in place surrounding hiring and employee protections. Layoffs have not hit Europe to the same extent largely because it's slower and more cumbersome to hire and fire, so employers are naturally more cautious. In the US you can hire and fire at will, so why be cautious? If companies were required to give 2 months notice like they are in many EU countries you bet your a…

The EU tech sector has been repeatedly reamed out by US and Chinese companies. They aren't a model to copy; something went badly wrong in Europe over the last few decades. Possibly they are too slow to hire when an opportunity presents.

I went to have a look at what powerful and inspiring tech companies the Europeans have managed to put together [0] - they've got ASML (decent effort) and SAP (wouldn't want to hang my hat on that). FAANG, TSMC and the AI revolution are not things that the Europeans have the capability to organise. They even had phones taken off them because they just couldn't make progress happen.

[0] https://companiesmarketcap.com/tech/largest-tech-companies-b...

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