Seriously? Would a $6000+ x64 workstation be noticeably slower?
ARM64 Linux Workstation
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Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation
#322Earlier quoted context omitted.
A ferrari with square wheels, that is a good one. A UNIX descendent of NextSTEP tooling, versus the distribution of the month in GNU/Linux world, preaching they will get the desktop this year, for 20 plus years, and the road for gaming relies on pretending to be Windows. Treat macOS as Mac OS, not as a Linux distribution. A proper set of UI frameworks, not stuck in pre-history C and C++ workloads or even worse Electr…
I’m paid to develop apps which deploy on Linux containers. macOS is uniquely incapable of providing a good development experience for that use case. Even Windows with WSL2 is leaps and bounds ahead.
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#323Forgive a bit of ignorance on my end; does Asahi have x86_64 emulation? It would be cool to play Linux Steam games on Arm.
Performance will be terrible as you virtualise instructions. You can try it with QEMU for example.
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#324I cannot wait for Linux to be fully usable on my Apple Silicon MBP. That is going to be such a killer environment to develop on. Crazy fast hardware, great high refresh screen, insane battery life, fantastic touchpad, gestures and keyboard. There is the potential that Windows games could run on it with some combination of x86 translation and Proton. Using MacOS on it feels like I have a ferrari with square wheels. Wa…
> Want to use FUSE? Not on your work computer locked to high-sec mode as you cannot install kernel extensions (where is our user space FS Apple?). It exists already - https://threedots.ovh/blog/2022/06/quick-look-at-user-mode-f... - it is just that Apple hasn’t made the API public, and (AFAIK) won’t give you the entitlements necessary to use it. But, both are issues Apple could fix relatively easily - if they wanted…
Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation
#325I cannot wait for Linux to be fully usable on my Apple Silicon MBP. That is going to be such a killer environment to develop on. Crazy fast hardware, great high refresh screen, insane battery life, fantastic touchpad, gestures and keyboard. There is the potential that Windows games could run on it with some combination of x86 translation and Proton. Using MacOS on it feels like I have a ferrari with square wheels. Wa…
> Want to use FUSE? Fuse is infuriating on MacOS - why is it not included by default??
Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation
#326Just so that I understand this correctly: he bought a $6000+ Mac Studio with a 20-core M1 Ultra processor and 128GB of RAM. But all these cores, ram, bandwidth, storage are not important, but rather the fact it is an "ARM64" workstation is what was the game changer. Seriously? Would a $6000+ x64 workstation be noticeably slower?
Mostly its a question of latency I would imagine.
My machine:
Archlinux “Zen” (lower latency kernel).
Threadripper 3970x
256G DDR4 2666MHz
3x4TiB NVMe (PCIe Gen3) in RAID0
Radeon VII GFX card (more than enough for 2D render of terminals).
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#327Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Want to use FUSE? Not on your work computer locked to high-sec mode as you cannot install kernel extensions (where is our user space FS Apple?). It exists already - https://threedots.ovh/blog/2022/06/quick-look-at-user-mode-f... - it is just that Apple hasn’t made the API public, and (AFAIK) won’t give you the entitlements necessary to use it. But, both are issues Apple could fix relatively easily - if they wanted…
Last I heard there are no plans to do this.
20 years ago, Apple cared about macOS as a Unix, they were interested in putting in features that developers and sysadmins wanted, like this.
Sadly, today's Apple has a rather different attitude towards that sort of thing
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#328Earlier quoted context omitted.
I remember reviews on youtube that showed the macbook air/pro M1 playing video (streaming?) for that long. Actually, it kept going for 20h. https://youtu.be/KE-hrWTgDjk?t=645
Benchmarketing. It has hardware support for video codecs so it can play video efficiently in particular even though people traditionally think of that as something processor intensive. The question is, what's the battery life when you're doing kernel compiles or GPGPU.
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#329Earlier quoted context omitted.
Battery life is significantly worse on my m1 pro macbook pro under asahi. I'd estimate about half of MacOS.
Is it worse across the board? Is idle power consumption higher, or is it mostly when under load that it gets worse?
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#330Earlier quoted context omitted.
I keep hearing about battery life being just as almost just as good or better on linux (and on Windows too, though that's a more realistic claim). Yet even the latest gens thinkpads are pretty awful w.r.t battery. My friend bought an i5 12xxx Thinkpad X1 and can barely do 5 or 6 hours of screen on time, when the stated capacity is 16h. Lenovo denied a refund, because it's working as intended according to them (and my…
Lenovo’s battery life numbers are consistent generation to generation, but wildly unrealistic. My 2015 thinkpad (since replaced by m1 air) was rated as 12 hours but could do at most half in practice doing very light tasks and typically ran about 4 hours. So when you buy a thinkpad you should assume actual battery life is a third to half of the rated life. Apple’s numbers are equally unrealistic. They rate my m1 air f…
Of course if its a day where I'm compiling often and have several tasks running its going to be lower, but thats not the usecase they advertise