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Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by octotoad »

peoplearepeople wrote: post #159
apatheticonion wrote: post #152

I cannot wait for Linux to be fully usable on my Apple Silicon MBP. That is going to be such a killer environment to develop on. Crazy fast hardware, great high refresh screen, insane battery life, fantastic touchpad, gestures and keyboard. There is the potential that Windows games could run on it with some combination of x86 translation and Proton. Using MacOS on it feels like I have a ferrari with square wheels. Wa…

> Want to use FUSE? Fuse is infuriating on MacOS - why is it not included by default??

MacFUSE isn’t even open source anymore, so it would likely involve Apple forking a version prior to the license change and maintaining that themselves.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by FooBarWidget »

rektide wrote: post #192
mardifoufs wrote: post #173

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I'm wondering if an M1 MacBook would actually have such a good battery life on linux. The processor is very power efficient, but I'd (naively) assume that MacOS's power management probably has a big influence too. In the same way that Linux laptops usually have a bad battery life compared to the same hardware on Windows. How good is Asahi when running similar workloads? And is it possible that it could reach parity w…

Installing Linux has had huge wins for me for power usage. Running powertop --auto-tune helps a good bit. I used to fiddle forever but this gets like 80% of the wins. Things like "do we reduce power state of sata links" used to be extremely conservatively set, for fear of really old hardware from the beginning of sata era that behaved badly, but was an obvious &bhige win for 99.999999% of folk. Linux has finally star…

I don't understand why the powertop tunings aren't the default when the distro detects it's running on a laptop.

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Post by arcosdev »

wraptile wrote: post #289
apatheticonion wrote: post #152

I cannot wait for Linux to be fully usable on my Apple Silicon MBP. That is going to be such a killer environment to develop on. Crazy fast hardware, great high refresh screen, insane battery life, fantastic touchpad, gestures and keyboard. There is the potential that Windows games could run on it with some combination of x86 translation and Proton. Using MacOS on it feels like I have a ferrari with square wheels. Wa…

I really don't understand the obsession with Apple laptop hardware. There are many alternatives that objective better: more ergonomic, less reflective screens, better keyboards, cheaper, lighter.

Point me at a processor as good as the M1 and I'll buy it

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by microtonal »

jeswin wrote: post #235
coldtea wrote: post #206

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> I'm wondering if an M1 MacBook would actually have such a good battery life on linux. Not 100% the same, but the Asahi members reported something like 8 hours on a M1 Macbook, so that's better than most/all x86 laptops with Linux

> 8 hours on a M1 Macbook, so that's better than most/all x86 laptops with Linux It is makes no sense to compare an $1k/$2k M1 Macbook with random laptops. Those laptops exist because people want to run MS Word or Excel for $400. That's the feature. Various System76 laptops, Thinkpads (among many other laptops recommended by Linux users) give you battery life comparable to macOS on the M1.

I had a ThinkPad T14 AMD and the battery life on Linux was very mediocre, even after tuning with powertop. It was usually 2-4 hours, on Windows more like 8-9 hours.

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Post by colonwqbang »

rcme wrote: post #287
kalleboo wrote: post #263

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From your link, what's missing for the OP is: Thunderbolt, DP Alt Mode, Video Decoder/Encoder, SEP, Neural Engine, internal Speaker Thunderbolt seems like the main missing feature. It's easy to see how someone could live a fulfilling life without running into the lack of any of those features. E.g. is there even anything on the Linux desktop that could take advantage of the Neural Engine or Secure Enclave?

Lack of HW video support will ruin battery life if you do conference calls or watch YouTube. It’s surprisingly important.

The mac studio has no battery

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Post by baq »

pjmlp wrote: post #300
apatheticonion wrote: post #152

I cannot wait for Linux to be fully usable on my Apple Silicon MBP. That is going to be such a killer environment to develop on. Crazy fast hardware, great high refresh screen, insane battery life, fantastic touchpad, gestures and keyboard. There is the potential that Windows games could run on it with some combination of x86 translation and Proton. Using MacOS on it feels like I have a ferrari with square wheels. Wa…

A ferrari with square wheels, that is a good one. A UNIX descendent of NextSTEP tooling, versus the distribution of the month in GNU/Linux world, preaching they will get the desktop this year, for 20 plus years, and the road for gaming relies on pretending to be Windows. Treat macOS as Mac OS, not as a Linux distribution. A proper set of UI frameworks, not stuck in pre-history C and C++ workloads or even worse Electr…

I’m paid to develop apps which deploy on Linux containers. macOS is uniquely incapable of providing a good development experience for that use case. Even Windows with WSL2 is leaps and bounds ahead.

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Post by bornfreddy »

taspeotis wrote: post #186
rkunde wrote: post #142

> In some cases, it is too fast. When I installed K3s, all of the containers in the kube-system namespace kept entering the dreaded CrashLoopBackOff state [..] After some investigation, I found out that the Mac Studio was just too fast for the Kubernetes resource timing I’d like to understand what the issue here is. Sounds counterintuitive to me.

It’s called a race condition. They never expected something to complete before another thing.

Yup. It is also a bug and a very difficult one to catch, so original devs would probably be very grateful for report and help in fixing it. I hope OP opened an issue.

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Post by Nextgrid »

rcme wrote: post #287
kalleboo wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From your link, what's missing for the OP is: Thunderbolt, DP Alt Mode, Video Decoder/Encoder, SEP, Neural Engine, internal Speaker Thunderbolt seems like the main missing feature. It's easy to see how someone could live a fulfilling life without running into the lack of any of those features. E.g. is there even anything on the Linux desktop that could take advantage of the Neural Engine or Secure Enclave?

Lack of HW video support will ruin battery life if you do conference calls or watch YouTube. It’s surprisingly important.

Considering the absolutely awful performance of "modern" web/Electron based communications software (aka all of them), I'd be surprised if they used hardware video encoding/decoding to begin with?

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by ht_th »

bornfreddy wrote: post #306

A bit off-topic: does anyone know what the best new laptop, available in EU, would be for Linux (exclusively)? Preferably something with a keyboard similar to the old ThinkPads (T480)?

I like my NovaCustom I got at the end of last year, but I'm not sure how it compares to the ThinkPads.
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