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Post by anubiskhan »

michannne wrote: post #536
anubiskhan wrote: post #516

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Seems like at that point one might as well just pay onlyfans? Although I suspect it is not far off until gpt and deepfaking get combined to produce completely generated onlyfans (or some other competitor if this is against their ToS, I have no idea). On a similar note I very much look forward to the day when entertainment providers leverage these so I can say to Netflix, et al, "I would like to watch a documentary ab…

I'm not seeing how onlyfans equate to virtual AI girlfriends

I assumed I knew what `and get charged extra if they want them to act a certain way or do certain things` meant, but maybe not. I thought it was along the lines of acting romantic/sexual/etc. Maybe I'm way off but I'd think otherwise it would just be an AI friend. I didn't know AI girlfriends were a thing until I clicked on this post today.

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Post by narrator »

shadowgovt wrote: post #276
bentcorner wrote: post #224

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I posit to a friend that: a) As these AI constructs become more advanced (especially around memory and personalization), we will eventually be able to treat them as people b) Some business will eventually sell an off-the-shelf product (hardware and/or software) that is an AI you can bring into your home, that you can treat as a friend, confidant and partner c) Someone will eventually lose their AI friend of many mont…

At the end of the day, the Turing Test for establishment of AI personhood is weak for two reasons. 1. We're seeing more and more systems that get very close to passing the Turing Test but fundamentally don't register to people as "People." When I was younger and learned of Searle's Chinese Room argument, I naively assumed it wasn't a thought experiment we would literally build in my lifetime. 2. Humanity has a histor…

An AI does not have a reptilian brain that fights, feeds, and fornicates. It does not have a mamailian brain that can fear and love and that you can make friends with. It is just matrix math predicting the next word.

The empathy that AI will create in people at the behest of the people doing the training will no doubt be weaponized to radicalize people to even sacrifice their lives for it, along with being used for purely commercial sales and marketing that will surpass many people's capability to resist.

Basic literacy in the future will be desensitizing people to pervasive AI superhuman persuasion. People will also have chatbots that they control on their own hardware that will protect them from other chatbots that try and convince them to do things.

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Post by dragonwriter »

int_19h wrote: post #590
abandonliberty wrote: post #395

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I'm curious if the blocking of adult content has to do with moralism, commercial interests, or something deeper. An eager to please conversational partner who can generate endless content seems quite dangerous and addictive, especially when it crosses over into romantic areas. There's already posts of people spending entire days interacting with LLMs, using as their therapist, romantic partner, etc. Combined with fin…

As usual, it starts with regulation for the sake of preventing some specific harm (e.g. having the model produce instructions for harmful activities). But, once you have the system in place, it will inevitably be used for morality by popular demand. From company's perspective, moralism is commercial interests - it needs to be sufficiently non-objectionable for as many customers as possible.

> As usual, it starts with regulation for the sake of preventing some specific harm (e.g. having the model produce instructions for harmful activities). But, once you have the system in place, it will inevitably be used for morality by popular demand.

Blocking information which could be used for harm is just as much “morality” as any other moderation.

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Post by Gigachad »

boole1854 wrote: post #399
mwill wrote: post #389

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Off topic, but I clicked around /g/, which I haven't done in probably more than a decade, and a thread caught my eye about learning to code. The replies were overwhelmingly of the position that it is useless, and you will be replaced by AI before you can get a job if you start learning now. I think that's nonsense, and 4chan is bent towards pessimism but it's still surprising to me.

4chan has been in full doomer mode for years. It didn't used to be, from what I remember, though I was never an active denizen. I'd love to understand the sociology behind the change in vibe that happened there.

It’s been like that as long as I’ve known. It just used to be dooming over smartphones and Microsoft products

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Post by xg15 »

crooked-v wrote: post #577
atleastoptimal wrote: post #558

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Corporations will do anything they can to keep that from happening. That's why every software product has gradually veered towards subscription models. They want you hooked to Microsoft/Apple/Facebook's AI girlfriend who will subtly insult your virtue as a partner if you don't buy extra credits. If you want to try out a politically incorrect fetish that's an extra 500 dollars per month for "extra premium"

Apple is the odd one out here, considering they've been making substantial efforts to move things on to consumer devices. For example, the ML-driven auto-categorization of pictures you keep in the Photos app happens on-device in the background whether or not you have any subscriptions.

Yeah, on locked-down devices under Apple's control.

I honestly believe locked-down consumer devices are the next step in corporate power consolidation after cloud services: Control is just as firmly in the hands of the corporation as with cloud, except now it doesn't even have to pay for bandwidth or energy costs - and costs for hardware upgrades turn into revenue!

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Post by sangnoir »

OkayPhysicist wrote: post #568
sangnoir wrote: post #519

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> It’s clear that people don’t and shouldn’t lose their free speech rights when they come together in a group Should Russian (or Dutch) citizens who incorporate in America have the same free speech rights as Billy Bob in Kentucky? As in can the corporate person send millions in political ads and donations even when controlled by foreigners?

Probably. The wording of the Declaration of Independence makes it clear that rights, at least in the American tradition, are not granted to you by law, they are inalienable human rights that are protected by law. That's why immigrants, tourists, and other visitors to America are still protected by the Constitution. Now, over time we've eroded some of that, but we still have some of the most radical free speech laws i…

I don't mean Dutch immigrants - I mean Dutch people living in the Netherlands (or Russians in Russia). One can incorporate an American entity as a non-resident without ever stepping foot on American soil - do you think it's a good idea for that entity to have the same rights as American citizens, and more rights than its members (who are neither citizens, nor on American soil)?

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Post by int_19h »

krisoft wrote: post #517
ben_w wrote: post #368

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If AI are sentient and we think they aren't… the term “zombie” was created by slaves in the Caribbean who were afraid that even death would not free them from their servitude. This would be the genuine existence of AI which were conscious but which we denied. If we have the opposite scenario in both details, where we think AI are sentient when they're not… at some point, brain scans and uploads will be a thing and th…

> If AI are sentient and we think they aren't… the term “zombie” was created by slaves in the Caribbean who were afraid that even death would not free them from their servitude. This would be the genuine existence of AI which were conscious but which we denied. That doesn't make any sense. In biological creatures you have sentience and self-preservation and yearning to be free all bundled in one big hairy ball. An AI…

You can condition humans to be happy about being enslaved, as well, especially if you raise them from a blank slate. I don't think most people would agree that it is ethical to do so, or to treat such people as slaves.

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Post by int_19h »

dmix wrote: post #230
bentcorner wrote: post #224

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I posit to a friend that: a) As these AI constructs become more advanced (especially around memory and personalization), we will eventually be able to treat them as people b) Some business will eventually sell an off-the-shelf product (hardware and/or software) that is an AI you can bring into your home, that you can treat as a friend, confidant and partner c) Someone will eventually lose their AI friend of many mont…

Reminds me of Ray Kurizwell's obsession with uploading brains to the cloud to get back his beloved father.

There's a related but very different take on this that was brought up by Wolfram in his recent article on ChatGPT:

"As a personal comparison, my total lifetime output of published material has been a bit under 3 million words, and over the past 30 years I’ve written about 15 million words of email, and altogether typed perhaps 50 million words—and in just the past couple of years I’ve spoken more than 10 million words on livestreams. And, yes, I’ll train a bot from all of that."

This actually has the potential to be useful - imagine a virtual assistant that's literally trained to think like yourself (at least wrt public perception; although you could feed it personal diary, as well).

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Post by int_19h »

dragonwriter wrote: post #593
int_19h wrote: post #590

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As usual, it starts with regulation for the sake of preventing some specific harm (e.g. having the model produce instructions for harmful activities). But, once you have the system in place, it will inevitably be used for morality by popular demand. From company's perspective, moralism is commercial interests - it needs to be sufficiently non-objectionable for as many customers as possible.

> As usual, it starts with regulation for the sake of preventing some specific harm (e.g. having the model produce instructions for harmful activities). But, once you have the system in place, it will inevitably be used for morality by popular demand. Blocking information which could be used for harm is just as much “morality” as any other moderation.

Technically, even the notion that harm is something to be avoided is itself a moral take.

I guess a better way to phrase it is that once you start policing morality on one particular matter and create tools for that purpose, those tools will eventually be used to police morality to conform to social consensus across the board.

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