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Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by dougall »

eqvinox wrote: post #122
eatonphil wrote: post #2

> Is there anything that doesn’t work? > To quote Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 3, Line 87: “No.” > Everything works… and works perfectly. That is impressive and really hard to believe! I guess I'll have to find an M1 mac Mini to try myself!

per statement from Asahi Linux [ https://social.treehouse.systems/@AsahiLinux/109931764533424... ] - you'll have to do a lot of your own legwork [EDIT: on upstream/"standard" Linux] to get there. Not having to deal with an entire custom laptop (i.e. getting a lot of standard peripherals for "free" after only getting USB to work) also helps a whole lot, and note the article specifically talks about a desktop mac.

That toot is about upstream Linux 6.2, not Asahi Linux. If you run Asahi Linux (as in the blog post) you get decent (but not complete) legwork-free hardware support. Detailed breakdown here: https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Feature-Support

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by Teongot »

josephcsible wrote: post #95
Gigachad wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Screen brightness works on the beta kernel. Speakers work but are disabled by default because there is a risk it could blow up the hardware

> Speakers work but are disabled by default because there is a risk it could blow up the hardware Wait, what? This sounds like a pretty egregious design flaw on Apple's part.

There's a good write up of it here https://social.treehouse.systems/@marcan/109917995005981968

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by eqvinox »

tbrock wrote: post #115
cjdrake wrote: post #26

Another Arm64 workstation you can buy today: https://www.ipi.wiki/products/ampere-altra-developer-platfor...

Performance isn’t there. Why spend 3k+ on this?

M1 Ultra on macOS: ca. 1800 (1C) ca. 24000 (20C) https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/20798209

Ampere Altra on Windows: ca. 800 (1C) ca. 12800 (80C) https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/20639458

Ampere Altra on Linux: ca. 900 (1C) ca. 44000 (80C) https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ampere-altra-max-80-ccore-...

Apparently the key to getting performance out of the Ampere Altra is … to just not use Windows? And have a very parallel workload. Yes, a single Altra core is half as fast as a single M1 Ultra core. But it really depends on your use case and other factors (e.g. power efficiency) which one is preferable.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by jnsaff2 »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #93
loeg wrote: post #83

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Be somewhat careful what USB audio device you buy. I've had multiple of these and some of them have tons of EM noise, which is very obnoxious.

> I've had multiple of these and some of them have tons of EM noise, which is very obnoxious. Ah darn yup! If there's one thing I'd expect from these is to not be noisy! FWIW I'm using a CambridgeAudio DAC and, well, CambridgeAudio is supposed to be a good brand when it comes to audio stuff (amp is CambridgeAudio too).

I've been pretty happy with Dragonfly[0]. Tho they don't come cheap.

I have had the black and am currently on the Red, I noticed the difference so I think it's worth it. Have not tried the cobalt.

[0] - https://www.audioquest.com/dacs/dragonfly/dragonfly-cobalt

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by [deleted] »

kjs3 wrote: post #90
usr1106 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am typing this on a mobile phone. Maybe 7-8 years old. 2 GB of RAM. Sailfish OS, still maintained (not perfectly, but better than the competition). Made as a low cost smart phone for India originally. Works decently well on many Web sites, close to perfectly on HN.

So a small computer. Full of environmentally problematic stuff. Just small and old. If that's your 'save the planet' plan, keep your condescension to yourself.

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Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by TimTheTinker »

psanford wrote: post #70
eatonphil wrote: post #2

> Is there anything that doesn’t work? > To quote Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 3, Line 87: “No.” > Everything works… and works perfectly. That is impressive and really hard to believe! I guess I'll have to find an M1 mac Mini to try myself!

I've got an M2 Air. It is very usable, but its far from everything working perfectly. Builtin speaker support is still a work in progress. It works if you know what you are doing and are not afraid to damage your speakers if you make a mistake. There's been progress on this though, so I expect this to be resolved sooner than later. There's no builtin speakers in the author's mac studio though, so I'll give them a pas…

OP's requirements pretty much uniquely match what Asahi on a desktop M2 provides -- heavy compute, not heavy graphics, no onboard speakers, one big display, no webcam/touch-id, etc.

It sounds like if you're developing services hosted in a cloud, Asahi Linux is a great fit for a desktop Mac.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by djha-skin »

When I saw "ARM64 Linux Workstation" I immediately thought of my raspberry pi 4 at home (arm64). Kind of annoying really, you'd be surprised at the number of developer tool projects that only publish amd64, and I can't watch netflix without bending over backwards. I haven't gotten widevine to work on it yet :(

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by psanford »

lmedinas wrote: post #87
psanford wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've got an M2 Air. It is very usable, but its far from everything working perfectly. Builtin speaker support is still a work in progress. It works if you know what you are doing and are not afraid to damage your speakers if you make a mistake. There's been progress on this though, so I expect this to be resolved sooner than later. There's no builtin speakers in the author's mac studio though, so I'll give them a pas…

Do you have a dual boot ?

Yes

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by runjake »

psanford wrote: post #70
eatonphil wrote: post #2

> Is there anything that doesn’t work? > To quote Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 3, Line 87: “No.” > Everything works… and works perfectly. That is impressive and really hard to believe! I guess I'll have to find an M1 mac Mini to try myself!

I've got an M2 Air. It is very usable, but its far from everything working perfectly. Builtin speaker support is still a work in progress. It works if you know what you are doing and are not afraid to damage your speakers if you make a mistake. There's been progress on this though, so I expect this to be resolved sooner than later. There's no builtin speakers in the author's mac studio though, so I'll give them a pas…

Minor point, but the Studio does have a built-in speaker. I'm not sure what, if any, functional level it has under Linux, though. Hopefully, somebody can enlighten me.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by eqvinox »

dougall wrote: post #131
eqvinox wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

per statement from Asahi Linux [ https://social.treehouse.systems/@AsahiLinux/109931764533424... ] - you'll have to do a lot of your own legwork [EDIT: on upstream/"standard" Linux] to get there. Not having to deal with an entire custom laptop (i.e. getting a lot of standard peripherals for "free" after only getting USB to work) also helps a whole lot, and note the article specifically talks about a desktop mac.

That toot is about upstream Linux 6.2, not Asahi Linux. If you run Asahi Linux (as in the blog post) you get decent (but not complete) legwork-free hardware support. Detailed breakdown here: https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Feature-Support

Good point, Thanks for the correction!
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