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Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by goosedragons »

sliken wrote: post #60
the_pwner224 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not trying to invalidate your specific use case, but in general, there's not really any practical difference between ARM64 and x86 for desktop use. ARM is generally perceived as being more power efficient, but the latest x86 mobile processors from AMD (and probably also Intel) are very efficient. The Apple M series does have very tightly coupled RAM and onboard ML & video encode accelerators, but when it comes to…

Dunno, M1 max (400GB/sec twice a threadripper) fits in a thin laptop, performance well, and has a decent iGPU. That's more bandwidth than a threadripper, better iGPU then anything Intel/AMD ships, and still sips on the power. M1 Ultra doubles the bandwidth again to 800GB/sec, and fits in a small and quite desktop. What CPU+iGPU (or GPU) do you think is comparable to M1 Ultra and competes on performance and power?

PS5 is $500 also has 400GB/sec memory bandwidth. Very good iGPU made by AMD. Also has a Blu-ray drive.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by deaddodo »

bolangi wrote: post #3

All sounds good to me. What I don't get is how running on arm64 would speed up i3. I3 is already fast enough to be unnoticeable, hardly performs any expensive operations.

I didn’t see OP saying ARM increased performance, just that sway felt more buttery/smooth and easier to configure.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by loeg »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #74
jjtheblunt wrote: post #22

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and audio and screen brightness at least...those don't work on my M2 setup.

> and audio... Overall tip for anyone using Linux and having issues with audio... USB Audio is magical and works wonder. I never bother with the computer's in-board sound: it's USB Audio immediately through a DAC. Works fine. Apple sells $10 USB-C-to-3.5mmjack DAC which are basically a tiny cable (for anyone lamenting it's "too bulky" to have a full-on DAC next to their laptop). For desktops: problem doesn't even reg…

Be somewhat careful what USB audio device you buy. I've had multiple of these and some of them have tons of EM noise, which is very obnoxious.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by bogwog »

sliken wrote: post #50
bogwog wrote: post #38

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It's a shame Apple is Apple and you can't pay a reasonable price for RAM, otherwise these would make awesome servers.

That's the cost for 10x the memory bandwidth of the Ryzen 7950x.

Nope, that's the cost of a monopoly. However fast or special Apple's RAM is, it doesn't cost them 10x the price of the competition, it costs us that because we can't around shop for another supplier.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by usr1106 »

detrites wrote: post #54
usr1106 wrote: post #5

Depending on the country you live earth overshoot day is pretty soon. 128GB of RAM and other specs for a workstation certainly sound like overshoot. I'd wish smart people would use their brains and saving resources instead of wasting them.

Until you're living in a tree and sending this message with a carrier pigeon there's some criticisms anyone could level at you also. And, what if our future energy saviour just so happened to need 128GB of RAM to prove their model in time?

I am typing this on a mobile phone. Maybe 7-8 years old. 2 GB of RAM. Sailfish OS, still maintained (not perfectly, but better than the competition). Made as a low cost smart phone for India originally. Works decently well on many Web sites, close to perfectly on HN.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by deaddodo »

rvz wrote: post #80

> Everything works… and works perfectly. All the hardware (Bluetooth, audio, HDMI, USB, 10G Ethernet, WiFi, and GPU) performs flawlessly with the drivers created by the Asahi team this past year, and there isn’t a single piece of software I want or need that doesn’t run beautifully in Asahi on this system. So I am expecting everything from proper GPU acceleration, power management and sleep to the Touch ID keyboard t…

OP is using a Mac Studio, which is not a laptop. I don’t think you can take their claim of it 100% working on their hardware and apply it to a completely different machine.

In addition, it’s open source software. Not some corporate organization selling you a product. Nothing is guaranteed.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by lmedinas »

psanford wrote: post #70
eatonphil wrote: post #2

> Is there anything that doesn’t work? > To quote Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 3, Line 87: “No.” > Everything works… and works perfectly. That is impressive and really hard to believe! I guess I'll have to find an M1 mac Mini to try myself!

I've got an M2 Air. It is very usable, but its far from everything working perfectly. Builtin speaker support is still a work in progress. It works if you know what you are doing and are not afraid to damage your speakers if you make a mistake. There's been progress on this though, so I expect this to be resolved sooner than later. There's no builtin speakers in the author's mac studio though, so I'll give them a pas…

Do you have a dual boot ?

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by the_pwner224 »

merb wrote: post #79
the_pwner224 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not trying to invalidate your specific use case, but in general, there's not really any practical difference between ARM64 and x86 for desktop use. ARM is generally perceived as being more power efficient, but the latest x86 mobile processors from AMD (and probably also Intel) are very efficient. The Apple M series does have very tightly coupled RAM and onboard ML & video encode accelerators, but when it comes to…

btw. my m1 mac barely goes over 40 w TOTAL power (whole machine) heck watching prime video my total power is at ~10w total power. trust me no matter which ryzen/intel processer you will never be as low as 10w total power. I'm pretty sure the biggest intel/amd desktopn cpu is faster than a m1 pro/ultra, m2 pro/ultra but there is no amd64 processer with the same efficiency than the m1/m2 macs.

Try rereading my comment. Your M1's 40 W total power is not special, the 6800U does that with roughly the same performance.

My 7 year old i7 laptop used 5 W idling with a few applications open and the screen at max brightness. I don't know what a modern non-Apple laptop uses when watching video, but 10 W seems about right.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by shoo_pl »

nicce wrote: post #58
dicknuckle wrote: post #48

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Did you try Lima on Mac? I never did compare apples to apples, ran an x86 Podman VM and then switched to an arm64 Lima VM and had drastically improved performance.

Lima uses QEMU as well. Performance is not an issue from ARM-to-ARM virtualisation.

Starting from 0.14 lima support vz framework on macos and allows you to use rosetta2 for x64 linux binaries :)

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by kjs3 »

usr1106 wrote: post #85
detrites wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until you're living in a tree and sending this message with a carrier pigeon there's some criticisms anyone could level at you also. And, what if our future energy saviour just so happened to need 128GB of RAM to prove their model in time?

I am typing this on a mobile phone. Maybe 7-8 years old. 2 GB of RAM. Sailfish OS, still maintained (not perfectly, but better than the competition). Made as a low cost smart phone for India originally. Works decently well on many Web sites, close to perfectly on HN.

So a small computer. Full of environmentally problematic stuff. Just small and old. If that's your 'save the planet' plan, keep your condescension to yourself.
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