I'm not a fan of this. Any chance Mullvad would offer a service plan where the money I'm paying them does NOT go to the support of Tor?
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#42Shallot donor means annual donations in excess of $100k USD. From the Tor website[0], it appears Mullvad is the only donor in excess of $49k USD annually (and possibly the only donor above $10001 USD). [0] https://www.torproject.org/about/membership/
Does that include donors supplying resources in kind though? I'd imagine running a high profile exit node could cost upwards of 10k$ yearly too
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...besides the US Government, TOR's largest benefactor by far. In case anyone needed reminding. https://www.torproject.org/static/findoc/2020-TorProject-For...
I can totally imagine they're using Tor for some undercover (foreign) operations or similar. I don't think the US Government with all its branches is known to practise exactly what it preaches.
Of course, this is basically why they invented it in the first place.
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I can totally imagine they're using Tor for some undercover (foreign) operations or similar. I don't think the US Government with all its branches is known to practise exactly what it preaches.
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Its creators can't be blamed for this. Just like we don't blame the post office for circulating CSAM and drugs.
Unfortunately you can't have near-absolute privacy without some people abusing it. This is just a given.
And if the US hadn't supplied tor, the bad actors would have used i2p or invented their own. By supplying the tech at least they have some measure of visibility.
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#45> Those that understand privacy, actively work to improve anti-fingerprinting and to protect users against more advanced attacks - are even fewer. > We believe that the Tor Project is one such organisation. We share their values when it comes to human rights, freedom of expression, anti-censorship and online privacy. The Tor Project is primarily funded by the State Department and DARPA. Make of that as you will.
This is brought up sometimes as some clever gotcha but Tor gets funding from many sources, and DARPA and the other US agencies that give money to Tor (like OTF) give on the order of 10s of thousands of US dollars per year. OTF (Open Technology Fund) — recently severely diminished — was funding tons of anti-censorship efforts like this with small grants to help get American propaganda into Iran, China, etc. Helping spread the message of the US Government is apparently a more valuable goal than surveillance of western citizens.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can totally imagine they're using Tor for some undercover (foreign) operations or similar. I don't think the US Government with all its branches is known to practise exactly what it preaches.
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Fifty odd years ago, the Advanced Research Projects Agency of the US Department of Defense invented a major portion of the internet's foundation: ARPANET.
Now, the internet is used to shitpost en masse, and serve porn and cat photos to billions across the globe, do its creators have any regrets?
I think the ethics of the US is on display for all!!!
lol.
Re: Mullvad becomes highest level of Tor Member (Shallot)
#47I'm not a fan of this. Any chance Mullvad would offer a service plan where the money I'm paying them does NOT go to the support of Tor?
I doubt it.
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Its creators can't be blamed for this. Just like we don't blame the post office for circulating CSAM and drugs. Unfortunately you can't have near-absolute privacy without some people abusing it. This is just a given. And if the US hadn't supplied tor, the bad actors would have used i2p or invented their own. By supplying the tech at least they have some measure of visibility.
People here are overwhelmingly against privacy when it enables criminals to hide. Almost every crypto thread is dominated by concerns about KYC and AML.
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Well, parts of the US government engage in arms trafficking and drug trafficking (sometimes at the same time, as in Iran-Contra). I hope they don't do CSAM trafficking or human trafficking, but I wouldn't be surprised at the least.
That's what the mercenaries... er contractors are for.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DynCorp#Sex_trafficking_of_chi...