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It seems that the leak originated from 4chan [1]. Two people in the same thread had access to the weights and verified that their hashes match [2][3] to make sure that the model isn't watermarked. However, the leaker made a mistake of adding the original download script which had his unique download URL to the torrent [4], so Meta can easily find them if they want to. [1]: https://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/9184826…

Why do 4chan users go out of their way to be so offensive in their posts?

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I'm not surprised-- I recently suggested that someone might try to pull an Aaron Swartz with the LLAMA weights (i.e., release them in an uncontrolled way similar to how Aaron attempted to release the JSTOR database). It's quite misleading for FB to claim that they are being so open, but then hoard the weights and only release it to a few academics. If the paper is to be believed, this is a major development, allowing…

if aaron had attempted to release the jstor database he would have succeeded

Didn't he get caught before he fully downloaded everything? My understanding was that's what he was doing with that laptop stuffed in a supply closet on the MIT campus.

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On the flip side of subhuman treatment of humans, we have useful legal fictions like corporate personhood. It's going to be pretty rough for a while, particularly for nontechnical judges, to sort all of this out. We're almost definitely going to see multiple rulings far more bizarre than Citizens United ruling that limiting corporate donations limits the free-speech rights of the corporation as a person. I'm not a la…

Good points but it’s worth clarifying that this is not what the Citizens United decision said. It clarified that the state couldn’t decide that the political speech of some corporations (Hillary the Movie produced by Citizens United) was illegal speech and speech from another corporation (Farenheit 9/11 by Dog Eat Dog films and Miramax) was allowed. Understood this way it seems obvious on free speech grounds, and in…

That's the first good coherent argument I've seen _for_ Citizens United. Thank you for that insight.

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I don't think that's right - even if you had the full source code for either of those, it's extremely unlikely you'd be able to build them on your own machine.

there's 99% complete leaked windows xp source code that people have managed to compile

There are even nice timelapse videos of that process: https://vimeo.com/464644850 (you’ll need a Vimeo account to see it, because Vimeo is weird like that. This was on YouTube originally, but it was taken down.)

Re: Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents

#405

It seems that the leak originated from 4chan [1]. Two people in the same thread had access to the weights and verified that their hashes match [2][3] to make sure that the model isn't watermarked. However, the leaker made a mistake of adding the original download script which had his unique download URL to the torrent [4], so Meta can easily find them if they want to. [1]: https://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/9184826…

Why do 4chan users go out of their way to be so offensive in their posts?

Because we took the set of internet users, and sorted everyone who wants to be intentionally offensive into 4chan. Which means there's not only a high density of people who like being intentionally offensive there, but that being intentionally offensive is socially rewarded, so over time 4chan users grow to want to be more and more intentionally offensive.

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Some years ago someone that worked at Microsoft told me he didn't think any individual engineer who already works on Windows could ever get Windows building by themselves with just the code.

That just shows their bias. If the code is complete, it's only a matter of time to figure out how to build it. May not take hours, but determined engineer should be able to figure it out.

I think you're being naive. Microsoft has spent 1000s of engineering years on their build system. You aren't going to just replicate that in a week.

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My understanding is that weights are normally stored as pickled python blobs, which means arbitrary code execution as they are unpickled.

A few months ago I made a small library to sanitize pytorch checkpoints, here it is: https://github.com/kir-gadjello/safer_unpickle The usage boils down to import safer_unpickle from safer_unpickle safer_unpickle.patch_torch_load() This overrides default torch unpickler with a relatively safe one. Hope this helps.

Sounds like this should be the default. Maybe you can submit a PR to the official Torch repo? There is no reason why a static model checkpoint should be potentially dangerous to run.

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There is a neat potential speedup here for the case where the bandwidth to your model weights is the limiting factor. If you have a guess what the model will output, then you can verify that your guess is correct very cheaply, since you can do it in parallel. That means there is the possibility to have a highly quantized small model in RAM, and then use the big model only from time to time. You might be able to get a…

This is an interesting concept, could you share a paper or some writeup about this?

It looks like a description of Speculative Sampling. There's a recent paper from DeepMind about this in the context of LLM [0], although it's not a completely new idea of course.

The potential for speedup according to their paper is closer to 2x than 10x however.

0: https://arxiv.org/abs/2302.01318

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Electricity costs are basically irrelevant because the cards are so expensive. A100 cards consume 250w each, with datacenter overheads we will call it 1000 kilowatts for all 2048 cards. 23 days is 552 hours, or 552,000 kilowatt hours total. Most dataceneters are between 7 and 10 cents per kilowatt hour for electricity. Some are below 4. At 10 cents, that's $53,000 in electricity costs, which is nothing next to $30 mi…

> Electricity costs are basically irrelevant because the cards are so expensive. You mean in terms of money. I think this is exactly the problem that we have in CS, nobody really cares about CO2.

Pretty sure Facebook uses green energy for their datacenter, so the CO2 cost should be nothing.

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Used it to download linux distro images back when the size of an install CD was huge. Good times.

Now that I think about it I wonder why we don't see it being used to distribute packages for linux distros. Seems more flexible than the current mirror system.

More overhead, torrents being blocked or disliked because of their association with piracy, difficulty to distribute updated versions of files (package indexes)?
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