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Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

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post #180

I'm on a hiatus from tech after nearly 20 years at a FAANG, I'm now an airline pilot. The money sucks and the hours are long, but somehow the simplicity of the mission (go from A to B, don't bend any metal) appeals to me. Being able to switch the phone off after work, not having to worry about stupid office politics, planning, or performance reviews is quite liberating. The view from my office desk is unbeatable! I'm…

> not having to worry about stupid office politics, planning, or performance reviews You don't have performance reviews as a pilot? Maybe that should concern me next time I'm flying

I mean what would increased performance mean in this case? You have to arrive at your destination at a specific time, if you go faster that is going to be a problem..

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why it's so important to mix with people from outside of your bubble. HN has some of the worst examples of people who don't know what they have. The discussions around salary are particularly amusing. I'm lucky because my partner is a nurse so I never forget how easy my job is. I also grew up in a poor family and I haven't forgotten what that was like. Honestly, if people would go and spend a long time in a c…

For me it's not that I don't feel lucky or enjoy my job in a general sense I guess. I just don't want to do the same thing over and over again my whole life. I started programming on a Commodore at like 6 or 7 years old and have basically never stopped now that I'm in my 40s.

Same here, my first programming was done on an Aquarius at around 8yo. The keyboard it had was awful, but I got to learn some BASIC. IT has been a huge part of my life since. While thankful for that path and what it has afforded my family, I've found it difficult lately to find meaning in it.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

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I used to work as a compiler engineer in the US for several years, before deciding to try starting over at the age of 30, in pure mathematics. I moved from the US to Paris in pursuit of an affordable mathematics education, and spent two years in a Masters program. I did have a considerable amount of savings, but it was very risky nevertheless: if it didn't work out, I'd be out-of-touch with compilers, and it would be…

I had always thought you were just switching to a focus on formal methods! Otoh we had only interacted a teeny bit / little to none while you were in nyc I think

I initially kept that option open, yes. However, there are surprisingly few available positions in formal methods outside of academia, and Coq is very very hard: my ability to prove things with Coq is quite modest.

Probably worth noting that I did have an PhD offer earlier, to work with Coq. However, since it was in a small village in Germany, I had to turn it down.

On a more general note, I don't know if formal methods is that promising today: proof assistants are very immature, and proving even little things involves a lot of trial-and-error and is very time-consuming.

Yes, I recall interacting with you!

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

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I'm on a hiatus from tech after nearly 20 years at a FAANG, I'm now an airline pilot. The money sucks and the hours are long, but somehow the simplicity of the mission (go from A to B, don't bend any metal) appeals to me. Being able to switch the phone off after work, not having to worry about stupid office politics, planning, or performance reviews is quite liberating. The view from my office desk is unbeatable! I'm…

>The money sucks

Is this true? I thought Major Airline Pilots could make upwards of $200k per year. Or are you doing something smaller scale?

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

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I'm currently finishing my second year of what was supposed to be a two year term (but was recently extended to three years) as the organ scholar [1] at one of the larger churches in the U.S. The director of music and I are the only two organists on staff, so I get to play for thousands of people and accompany/conduct a professional choir every week. I left the tech world to do that because I knew I wanted to at least try working in music at some point in my career. I am still working on several open source projects, so I haven't taken a complete break from software development.

I'm technically 3/4 time at the church, so I've been looking for a part time tech job to augment that for the last two years, but have found getting one quite difficult since there are so few available. I always assumed this foray into church music would be a break from technical work and I'd go back after I was done, but my two closest mentors are strongly encouraging me to go to graduate school for organ performance after I finish my term, as my undergraduate degree is in math. I'm also somewhat concerned about my viability as a candidate trying to re-enter the tech world after being away for a few years.

I'm not yet sure what I'm going to do next year. I'm definitely happier than I ever was working in tech, although I struggle with feeling like I'm looked down upon for "just" being a musician. I also worry about the long term financial impact (retirement) if I do stay in church music, as the pay is obviously much, much lower than I'd expect otherwise. Unlike most people in this thread, I took my break early in my career, so I don't have a large pile of savings to fall back on.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_scholar

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

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post #41

It is important to understand that everyone has sometimes escape phantasies (teachers, therapists, baristas, founders, medical doctors, professors, developers, etc., they all do) because something is making them truly unhappy in their day-to-day job and they assume other people happier. Finding about the root cause what makes you unhappy will usually lead to more satisfying results than just running after to become a…

Some jobs are just hell, and the reason people stick in those jobs is that they don't know any better. Nobody has shown them other opportunities, they think getting another job and performing it would be difficult. They think their current salaries are OK because they have nothing better to compare with. For those people, the root cause of their misery is the job and all of them would be better off switching careers.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

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post #43

Dropped out of tech, arguably more by force than choice. My lifestyle, finances, social life, even country of residence (and by extension my love life) were all balanced on top of that little MacBook Pro. Used it for work, used it to socialize, eventually my brain refused to let me mediate my entire life through a computer any longer and I burned out. Now I work at a hotel! Receptionist, barista, waiter, even some ma…

I once made the opposite journey and I miss the front desk daily. I have even considered finding a nice hotel where I could do the occasional weekend shift just to do something more mentally rewarding than architecting solutions, detailing user stories and testing implementation all day!

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

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post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like the price has finally come down a bit, but it did seem to be $2000+ for something with a saw stop, but only $200+ for a regular table saw, making it out of reach of many home handypeople. Interestingly, as I recall, nearly as many people are injured each year from power tools as are injured in vehicular collisions (in the US) and way more people drive than use power tools. There is a solution, yes, but the…

So you're saying to put the saws on the vehicles...

Requiring a driver's license for power tools isn't that bad an idea. That would probably be as popular as banning kitchen knives though.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

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I used to work as a compiler engineer in the US for several years, before deciding to try starting over at the age of 30, in pure mathematics. I moved from the US to Paris in pursuit of an affordable mathematics education, and spent two years in a Masters program. I did have a considerable amount of savings, but it was very risky nevertheless: if it didn't work out, I'd be out-of-touch with compilers, and it would be…

OT but if your French is decent and in a few years you get tired of city life maybe keep the French countryside in sight, outside of Paris it's a different country.

Hehe, perhaps when I'm older. My collaborator on the LICS paper also tells me that the countryside is very beautiful. It will take time to get used to, as I've lived in big cities for the entirety of my life, and participate in activities like book clubs.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

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After a decade as a software engineer I became a nurse. It has its pros and cons. The defining difference is shift work vs project work. In California the pay is similar to tech which is a plus. Also watching all my previous teammates get laid off during the tech downturns is a motivating factor.
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