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Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

#181
Not me, but a friend: did a PhD at UCLA, went to Canada to teach, got deep into STEM and other stuff. He loved the field but hated the job.

Started making cheese on the side, and he later turned that into a full-time cheese consultant business. Eventually worked for restaurants and local providers, few gigs with large dairy concerns, travel to areas to help set up literal cheese caves, etc.

Almost certainly makes less, way less, money than before but seems happy. Dude has a lot of connections and knows like every kitchen in the city, can rock up to restaurants and knows half the staff, etc.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

#182
I've been passionate about coding since I was 14; I self-taught myself to code on school library computers during my lunch break, went to uni, was involved in some startups. I still enjoy coding (I'm 32 now) but I hate coding as a day job because I'm forced to do everything in ridiculously inefficient ways. I often think to myself; surely, if they force me to use these insanely wasteful, over-engineered tools, they shouldn't mind if I also add a little extra waste on top by watching cat videos during work hours or going extra slow... But the problem is that employers demand results in spite of simultaneously creating hurdles for you which make it harder to deliver those results.

Imagine that your job is to pick an apple from a tree. The tree is 100 meters from you, just as you are about to start walking towards the tree, your boss tells you "Not like that, you need to walk on your hands..." You try to explain to your boss why it's not the most efficient way to pick an apple but he tells you "You are mistaken because this is the industry standard; that's how all the big apple pickers are doing it" So you start walking on your hands... Then the boss insists that you need to climb onto a unicycle with your hands and traverse a pool of crocodile-infested water while juggling with your feet all while being suspended on a tightrope... But the whole time, the boss insists, and he is dead serious, that his only goal is to simply to pick the apple from the tree... But every time you try to point out that juggling upside down on a unicycle is not an efficient way to do it, your intelligence is called into question. That's what it feels like to be a senior software developer these days. So yes, I've thought of quitting.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

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I like this response very much. I'm in my mid-40s now and worked in many different sectors and positions before ending up in my current career. Even negative experiences, such as washing out as an air traffic controller after 2 years, have been beneficial in my current position. First, they provide some humility and empathy toward people who are struggling and, secondly, they give me alternative lenses toward viewing…

Sounds like an interesting path you’ve taken. Do you have any memoirs or blog post about it?

Thats a good question, and no, I haven't written them up yet. I probably would title it "Adventures in ADHD". I grew up in a rural region and so ended up in university for agricultural science, but midway through my second year I was accepted into the Air Traffic Control school.

My best friend was driving long-haul tractor trailers across the USA and since I had a half year waiting for my ATC school to start I went to truck driving school and got my license so I could team drive with him for a bit.

After graduating ATC school and training on site for a year I was unable to meet the increasingly-difficult requirements to progress to the next level. After a while it was evident to both me and my instructors that I wasn't going to be happy even if I managed to pass those barriers as my brain wasn't wired for continuous focus (I hadn't yet been diagnosed with ADHD).

I applied to return to university and while waiting for my application I worked as a construction supervisor. I had spent my teens working for an industrial construction company and they were delighted to take me back on a temporary basis as they were very busy and the market for experienced supervisors was tight.

Finally got back into university but before I had graduated with an agricultural science degree one of my professors asked me to do a Masters graduate program with him. So I eventually graduated with an M.Sc. in agricultural economics and business. I worked as an analyst/lobbiest for five years but disliked reading government documents so took a position as a Market Analyst.

While working as a market analyst I discovered that Excel was a terrible tool for handling all but the simplest data, and in my search for a solution I encountered Python and it's data analytical ecosystem.

While I would never consider myself a programmer, I loved the increasingly complex solutions I could create with Python and, inevitably, ended up learning Linux servers so I could host my data, scrapers, and visualization web servers.

And now I'm wondering what's next, but since my kids are teenagers I'm pausing here for a bit until they move out to avoid unnecessarily disrupting their lives by uprooting them and moving away to a new position.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

#184
I realised that I would always feel like I needed just a bit more. So instead I cut all my expenditures, and moved somewhere with a very low cost of living.

I did the 'café / tea room / barista / baker' dream for a season, hard work but fun! and since the lock-down nightmare, I am back to playing around with some tech ideas.

Maybe my next project is a farm renovation, and some local up-cycling services, something towards 'save the planet'. Just fixing up an old espresso machine, great fun!

Anyway I am not sure I could go back to freelancing, I cant stand these modern tech stacks :( Am I the only one that feels like I need to write my own language, or even OS? Although Zig is looking good so far... and some unikernals have promise. All this CPU/GPU power and things seem to run slower than ever.

But yeah, I sympathize and would only say, dont wait to start living your dream.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

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Why are you talking about college? Having kids in general is very, very expensive. More so if you want to provide them with opportunities and activities as they grow up.

Having kids is not terribly expensive everywhere. Not all need to have super expensive hobbies either. I guess there is a huge regional difference - starting from cost daycare.

That may be, but I can only speak as to my reality. It is not actionable to me that in X country things are cheaper. I don’t live there and I’m not moving either.

Also, I’m not talking about “expensive” hobbies. Almost all sports need some sort of equipment and time investment from the parents. Summer camps for some parents are a necessity because they need child care during summer months. Vacations for kids are also expensive and people typically save all year long to take them. I could go on.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

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my brother did something similar - quit tech because he was burned out, went to the next best bicycle shop and asked if they'd like to hire him, now he owns the place and has ~80 employees

That brother's name? Albert Einstein.

This is not uncommon in the more blue-collar businesses. Many boomers now retire, and they often can't find a suitable successor. Most ambitious young people are being led down a different path via university, so there is a real unmet need in less glorious, but nevertheless still profitable fields. Btw he wasn't gifted the company, he had to buy it from the owners of course - still a good deal.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

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The greatest such story I've ever read is this one from a GitHub issue comment: https://github.com/docker/cli/issues/267#issuecomment-695149... > Sorry I missed your comment of many months ago. I no longer build software; I now make furniture out of wood. The hours are long, the pay sucks, and there's always the opportunity to remove my finger with a table saw, but nobody asks me if I can add an RSS feed to a DBMS, s…

> the opportunity to remove my finger with a table saw This is a solved problem. SawStop will reduce the injury from amputation to somewhere between laceration and a pinch.

Looks like the price has finally come down a bit, but it did seem to be $2000+ for something with a saw stop, but only $200+ for a regular table saw, making it out of reach of many home handypeople.

Interestingly, as I recall, nearly as many people are injured each year from power tools as are injured in vehicular collisions (in the US) and way more people drive than use power tools.

There is a solution, yes, but the problem is not solved.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

#188

You could join the resource industry, there's a labor shortage and there's all sort of vocational training. Some jobs require minimal training others more but you can be up and running in as little as 3 months for something relatively skilled. It's a refreshing feeling to have a job where the deliverables are very specific and day to day like you need to move this crap from here to there and that's it, no thinking ab…

Interesting suggestion. Could somebody in their 40s who’s only ever had a desk job get into this?

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Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

#189
I went back to school to get a teaching certificate and taught middle school for three years, a couple of summers at a high school, and three more years as a college lecturer (aka adjunct).

I'm back in tech now, which took hard work getting up to date. I was out for ten years and basically missed a whole lot, such as containers, cloud as the path of least resistance, and React. On the other hand, Linux and Python haven't gone out of style.

I enjoyed my time teaching and the perspective gained. I don't regret it, and I did learn more about my own strengths and weaknesses.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

#190

Technology is not the problem the industry is the issue. Find somewhere with a low cost of living and other things you enjoy and do that while thinking about what tech you like for its own sake and try to figure out an entry point. I enjoy working with my hands and making things and what I have decided is that I will pursue the 100 year form factor of a computer. It seems plausibly that nobody really wants to use a p…

Vt pays you 10k to mv there?

It looks like they may have reduced it.

https://thinkvermont.com/relocation-incentives/

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