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EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by Scubabear68 »

nunez wrote: post #62
singularity2001 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>> allow side-loading of apps outside of its App Store Just in time to replace that broken Siri thing with OpenAI based assistants! Previous app submissions were rejected on the basis of being "too close to existing functionality". Maybe they meant dysfunctionality? If the EU needs witnesses of anti-competitive behavior I volunteer.

Absolutely cannot wait. Siri is garbage and has only existed this long because of it being the default.

It is frustrating and hilarious that saying my son's name triggers Siri every time, and it really not very close to "Hey Siri".

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by oblio »

microtherion wrote: post #67
TheLoafOfBread wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If everyone would release their own incompatible version of TCP protocol, internet would have never happen to be. This is just same interoperability on higher level.

Interoperability undoubtedly has advantages in the long run. But there's a delicate balance to be struck at what point in product evolution to standardize. I'm fine with standardizing on USB-C (even though the cable situation is a mess). But IMHO USB micro would have been inferior to lightning, and forcing Apple to standardize on that would have set back the industry. And imagine laptops if the EU had decided to solv…

I did the required reading so you don't have to.

This is the law passed:

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-9-2022-0338...

->

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TC1-COD-2021-0...

Guess what, on page 10 the text says:

> With respect to charging by means other than wired charging, divergent solutions could be developed in the future, which could have negative impacts on interoperability, on consumer convenience and on the environment. >

Unlike the US Constitution, EU laws are not set in stone and they > updated.

> I also can't help shaking the feeling that the EU is so happy regulating cell phones and internet services because they have no major players in that field left anymore. Conversely, they seem to be incapable of mandating a unified standard for grounded AC power outlets, although that would surely be equally beneficial.

Hotels and many other places have started offering USB A and USB C ports. I think we're close to the point (5-10 years away?) where you could go to the US from Europe with just a laptop, for 2 weeks, and you'd be able to charge it just by using USB C ports available in restaurants, hotels, bars, offices, etc.

On top of that, for wall outlets the EU is mostly standardized except for Denmark, I think.

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by guestbest »

willyt wrote: post #86

If everyone's messaging has to be compatible with everyone else's then maybe we will finally only need one messaging app on our phones again instead of 5. Sounds great. I just want to be able to send messages without thinking about which app I need to go into to communicate with a particular person; that really breaks my flow when I'm trying to get something done. I don't give a shit about any features apart from pic…

I thought email already did all of this

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by scarface74 »

adam_arthur wrote: post #77
perryizgr8 wrote: post #51

The basic message from EU to innovators is: don't bother. If you manage to create a successful business out of your innovation we will punish you. You created an advanced easy to use connector for your line of phones? Fuck you, you have to change it to a plug that came later and has a different set of trade offs that may not align with your product. You created a messaging service that was way ahead of its time, and…

Competition drives innovation, believe it or not. Leveraging bundling to avoid having software compete on their individual merits 1:1 with competitors is not good for innovation

Yes that’s why all of the successful tech companies come out of the EU…

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by minton »

ddevault wrote: post #26

I'm very excited about the Digital Markets Act. Some things that excite me which are definitely in scope: - Interopability between walled gardens like messenger apps - Side-loading software on your devices I'm also hoping that we see this specifically lead to the following: - Installing your own operating system on any electronic device - Third-party video games running on proprietary consoles without the vendor's ap…

Also

- Less tech-savvy folks side loading viruses

Can’t wait for all the calls for help from my parents and friends. It’ll be just like the good old days.

/s

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by yakireev »

seszett wrote: post #85
yakireev wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hello there, nice to meet you. Life without Whatsapp is not easy in the Netherlands, but is possible. The "super bubble" exists though, and it sucks. Most problems come from the "literally everyone has whatshapp" crowd like you, by the way, the people who deny the existence of the bubble. Could you please stop making my life harder? No, not "literally everyone" has Whatsapp: I don't. Agreeing to T&C of some foreign c…

I think you're misrepresenting (or misunderstanding) the matter. WhatsApp can be installed on any device. iMessage requires specific hardware, i.e. an Apple iPhone. It is always possible not to use either and just communicate by SMS (which I prefer myself, but as I understand it WhatsApp came to be used here in Belgium because phone plans are expensive and SMS are still limited/paid on most plans) but that's a differ…

> I think you're misrepresenting (or misunderstanding) the matter.

The matter here is that the commenter I was responding to says I don't exist. My experience is that folks with that attitude also treat me as if I don't exist. I object to both of these things.

Selling your first-born rights for a lentil soup, or agreeing to adversarial T&C of a foreign corporation should not be a precondition for participating in a society.

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by satvikpendem »

DeathArrow wrote: post #97
satvikpendem wrote: post #74

Now will Apple bring the same benefits to the US and other countries not in the EU?

If Apple would want the customers to have benefits there wouldn't be a need for legislation such as this. So probably no, unless a law demands it.

Then we need something like this in the US too.
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