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EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

TheLoafOfBread wrote: post #53
perryizgr8 wrote: post #51

The basic message from EU to innovators is: don't bother. If you manage to create a successful business out of your innovation we will punish you. You created an advanced easy to use connector for your line of phones? Fuck you, you have to change it to a plug that came later and has a different set of trade offs that may not align with your product. You created a messaging service that was way ahead of its time, and…

If everyone would release their own incompatible version of TCP protocol, internet would have never happen to be. This is just same interoperability on higher level.

It happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_Wars

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by nunez »

singularity2001 wrote: post #54
Scubabear68 wrote: post #34

Misleading headline. This affects many apps and is much broader. In fact, this line from the article is far more serious: “Apple, for instance, will also need to contend with a reported requirement to allow side-loading of apps outside of its App Store, something it's spent years fighting internationally”.

>>> allow side-loading of apps outside of its App Store Just in time to replace that broken Siri thing with OpenAI based assistants! Previous app submissions were rejected on the basis of being "too close to existing functionality". Maybe they meant dysfunctionality? If the EU needs witnesses of anti-competitive behavior I volunteer.

Absolutely cannot wait. Siri is garbage and has only existed this long because of it being the default.

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by vernon99 »

perryizgr8 wrote: post #51

The basic message from EU to innovators is: don't bother. If you manage to create a successful business out of your innovation we will punish you. You created an advanced easy to use connector for your line of phones? Fuck you, you have to change it to a plug that came later and has a different set of trade offs that may not align with your product. You created a messaging service that was way ahead of its time, and…

This is such a wrong take. As an "innovator" who also worked on one of the largest messaging apps: I'm VERY happy about this change. Very long due. If properly executed, this gives a very large advantage to startups against those established network effects. And for late stage founders this is not an issue anyway and also makes them shift their focus back to product.

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by gyy52380 »

prepend wrote: post #57
teekert wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I only recently heard of the "green bubble stigma", it's not a thing here in the Netherlands at least. People use Whatsapp.

> it's not a thing here in the Netherlands at least. People use Whatsapp. Then you have a super blue bubble effect if everyone uses WhatsApp then you don’t communicate with people who aren’t on WhatsApp. My understanding of the blue bubble isn’t that the color matters it’s that iMessage functions only work with other iMessage users (eg, delivery is slightly different, sync with other devices, special emojis, reaction…

There is no bubble because literally everyone has whatshapp. It's even available on "dumb phones". I've never met anyone of any age who doesn't have it.

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by xiphias2 »

singularity2001 wrote: post #54
Scubabear68 wrote: post #34

Misleading headline. This affects many apps and is much broader. In fact, this line from the article is far more serious: “Apple, for instance, will also need to contend with a reported requirement to allow side-loading of apps outside of its App Store, something it's spent years fighting internationally”.

>>> allow side-loading of apps outside of its App Store Just in time to replace that broken Siri thing with OpenAI based assistants! Previous app submissions were rejected on the basis of being "too close to existing functionality". Maybe they meant dysfunctionality? If the EU needs witnesses of anti-competitive behavior I volunteer.

Is there a good integration for Android? I never used Google Assistent, when I tried, it failed for basic tasks.

I rented a car with Android Auto, went inside my podcast app, and couldn't go back to Google maps, and of course Android Auto makes google maps stop working on my mobile phone when android auto is on.

So i was trying things like ,,go to maps'', ,,go to navigation'', ,,maps'', but none of them worked.

Disconnecting and reconnecting andorid auto worked mostly (but not always)

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by jsnell »

petodo wrote: post #48
AlchemistCamp wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not true in Google’s case: https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-chin...

Google never really had any traction in China to start with, their search results were useless for Chinese content, so then they pretended to leave for some noble cause. Same with Amazon who tried for much longer until it gave up after decade.

That's not true. They were at over 40% and growing at that time:

https://gs.statcounter.com/press/google-gained-market-share-...

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by microtherion »

TheLoafOfBread wrote: post #53
perryizgr8 wrote: post #51

The basic message from EU to innovators is: don't bother. If you manage to create a successful business out of your innovation we will punish you. You created an advanced easy to use connector for your line of phones? Fuck you, you have to change it to a plug that came later and has a different set of trade offs that may not align with your product. You created a messaging service that was way ahead of its time, and…

If everyone would release their own incompatible version of TCP protocol, internet would have never happen to be. This is just same interoperability on higher level.

Interoperability undoubtedly has advantages in the long run. But there's a delicate balance to be struck at what point in product evolution to standardize. I'm fine with standardizing on USB-C (even though the cable situation is a mess). But IMHO USB micro would have been inferior to lightning, and forcing Apple to standardize on that would have set back the industry. And imagine laptops if the EU had decided to solve the conference room projector problem by mandating VGA ports in every laptop.

I also can't help shaking the feeling that the EU is so happy regulating cell phones and internet services because they have no major players in that field left anymore. Conversely, they seem to be incapable of mandating a unified standard for grounded AC power outlets, although that would surely be equally beneficial.

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by corobo »

singularity2001 wrote: post #54
Scubabear68 wrote: post #34

Misleading headline. This affects many apps and is much broader. In fact, this line from the article is far more serious: “Apple, for instance, will also need to contend with a reported requirement to allow side-loading of apps outside of its App Store, something it's spent years fighting internationally”.

>>> allow side-loading of apps outside of its App Store Just in time to replace that broken Siri thing with OpenAI based assistants! Previous app submissions were rejected on the basis of being "too close to existing functionality". Maybe they meant dysfunctionality? If the EU needs witnesses of anti-competitive behavior I volunteer.

> Just in time to replace that broken Siri

oooh that would be awesome. I'm at a point where I only use it for timers and it even gets that wrong sometimes "I created an alarm named Timer for 01:30am".. oh yeah I can't just say "timer one hour thirty" because Siri hates British people and parses the numbers wrong lmao.

Also can we get multiple timers yet? Why is a device more powerful than the computer we used to send people to the moon limited to one timer?

Can't wait!

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by realusername »

anaganisk wrote: post #4

If stars align right for Apple, this can at least with some probability that they can kill WhatsApp in a few countries. If they implement a few features.

I don't think that will be enough, yeah sure compatibility with Android will help imessage but they will also need some big marketing change, right now it's marketed as an SMS app and SMS is pretty much a dead platform in the EU

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by petodo »

jsnell wrote: post #66
petodo wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google never really had any traction in China to start with, their search results were useless for Chinese content, so then they pretended to leave for some noble cause. Same with Amazon who tried for much longer until it gave up after decade.

That's not true. They were at over 40% and growing at that time: https://gs.statcounter.com/press/google-gained-market-share-...

That's assuming sites/users in China use statcounter, completely misleading data.

According Wikipedia and at least 2 different sources they quote, Google peaked in China at 29-35% and even that seems way too optimistic, if you ask anyone who used search in China back then or have been there. By my experience from years ago was Google search in Chinese language useless.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_China

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