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EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by minton »

singularity2001 wrote: post #54
Scubabear68 wrote: post #34

Misleading headline. This affects many apps and is much broader. In fact, this line from the article is far more serious: “Apple, for instance, will also need to contend with a reported requirement to allow side-loading of apps outside of its App Store, something it's spent years fighting internationally”.

>>> allow side-loading of apps outside of its App Store Just in time to replace that broken Siri thing with OpenAI based assistants! Previous app submissions were rejected on the basis of being "too close to existing functionality". Maybe they meant dysfunctionality? If the EU needs witnesses of anti-competitive behavior I volunteer.

It sounds like you might be happier in Android land. You can load whatever apps you want and even some you don’t[1].

[1] https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/hackers-use-f...

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by teekert »

yakireev wrote: post #75
gyy52380 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no bubble because literally everyone has whatshapp. It's even available on "dumb phones". I've never met anyone of any age who doesn't have it.

Hello there, nice to meet you. Life without Whatsapp is not easy in the Netherlands, but is possible. The "super bubble" exists though, and it sucks. Most problems come from the "literally everyone has whatshapp" crowd like you, by the way, the people who deny the existence of the bubble. Could you please stop making my life harder? No, not "literally everyone" has Whatsapp: I don't. Agreeing to T&C of some foreign c…

You have my Respect (although the person you're responding to probably doesn't mean it like you take it). I probably could only do it while feeling good about it by self-hosting some Matrix bridge. Actually, I'd still feel bad because I'd support the system.

Well, as a parent it really is difficult, you constantly have to explain yourself and arrange alternatives. Some context: Texting (SMSing we call it) is f-ing expensive here, ridiculous (25 ct/message? Unless you buy a plan, but why should you? There is Whatsapp... Nobody is going to use SMS with you, any parent will probably think: "Are you making me send an SMS [to come pick up your kid], really?").

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by oblio »

microtherion wrote: post #60
luismedel wrote: post #6

For the love of $DEITY, I read 'Europe will acquire Apple to open up iMessage' and had to re-check today isn't April 1st :-)

Since they seem to be determined to legislate every detail of the product, from ports used to software protocols, maybe they should indeed just skip the middleman and acquire the phone makers.

> Since they seem to be determined to legislate every detail of the product, from ports used to software protocols, maybe they should indeed just skip the middleman and acquire the phone makers.

And in every case where they don't legislate it, companies don't give a crap.

Silly example. I went to buy a broom/mop stick to use with broom/mop heads I had at home.

Guess what, they stopped making the original, and 3 different supermarkets had slightly different stick diameters, so they weren't compatible with the other brands.

I really need that level of innovation in my life...

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by seszett »

yakireev wrote: post #75
gyy52380 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no bubble because literally everyone has whatshapp. It's even available on "dumb phones". I've never met anyone of any age who doesn't have it.

Hello there, nice to meet you. Life without Whatsapp is not easy in the Netherlands, but is possible. The "super bubble" exists though, and it sucks. Most problems come from the "literally everyone has whatshapp" crowd like you, by the way, the people who deny the existence of the bubble. Could you please stop making my life harder? No, not "literally everyone" has Whatsapp: I don't. Agreeing to T&C of some foreign c…

I think you're misrepresenting (or misunderstanding) the matter.

WhatsApp can be installed on any device. iMessage requires specific hardware, i.e. an Apple iPhone.

It is always possible not to use either and just communicate by SMS (which I prefer myself, but as I understand it WhatsApp came to be used here in Belgium because phone plans are expensive and SMS are still limited/paid on most plans) but that's a different matter.

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by willyt »

If everyone's messaging has to be compatible with everyone else's then maybe we will finally only need one messaging app on our phones again instead of 5. Sounds great. I just want to be able to send messages without thinking about which app I need to go into to communicate with a particular person; that really breaks my flow when I'm trying to get something done. I don't give a shit about any features apart from pictures, groups and emojis.

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by b3orn »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #23
teekert wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I only recently heard of the "green bubble stigma", it's not a thing here in the Netherlands at least. People use Whatsapp.

And I bet in classical Apple style, they would definitely gimp the Android iMessage app restricting some features, just to spite Android users and try to force them to buy iPhones. Android users will still be second class citizens so the transition off Whatsapp or Signal will not happen.

Now that would be the stupidest thing to do, why would they want Android users to think that Apple services are broken? Shouldn't they do the exact opposite and have a really good app giving Android users a glimpse of the holy iPhone land?

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by Semaphor »

petodo wrote: post #71
prepend wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like the desktop app better as it’s integrated better and thus easier to use. I have notifications set up for many different apps not just messages so I want them all to function the same. Also, I just think native apps still perform better than web apps. And I can install it on my work computer

Not sure how it can be easier to use than already supereasy web app, notifications work same via browser and you don't need to install anything, these are really no arguments for desktop app. If you would say desktop app can do voice/video calls which you actually use (I don't, not gonna open laptop with closed lid and external display for that) I can understand using the desktop app, but for someone who doesn't need…

Not quite sure how you can’t understand that not everyone is you. I also prefer the desktop app.
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