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OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by oneng »

Loughla wrote: post #398
camillomiller wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People keep forgetting we're talking about Sam Altman, someone who believed that scanning the world's population retinas in exchange for some crappy digital coin was a great idea and not a creepy spinoff of a shoddy sci-fi novel.

Oh wow. I forgot that was even a thing. Is that project dead? I assume it is, but would love to be surprised that it still exists, just for the novelty of the entire thing.

It's not merely still around, they're still actively hiring for it on LinkedIn.

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Post by mcguire »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #361
Julesman wrote: post #351

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Among all the accepted threats to humanity's future, AI is one of the least founded at this point. We all grew up with this cautionary fiction. But unless you know something everyone else doesn't, the near term existential threat of AI is relatively low.

What strong evidence of existential threat are you expecting to see before it's already too late to avoid catastrophe?

What strong evidence do you have that AGI (1) is possible in the foreseeable future, and (2) will be more a threat than any random human?

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Post by aquajet »

gitgud wrote: post #303
AlexandrB wrote: post #181

> It is "hard for anyone except larger companies to benefit from the underlying technology," OpenAI stated. Ugh. This is the part of the recent AI advancement that annoys me the most. The web, at least in its infancy, was pretty accessible to individual hobbyists. You could run a web server on your own computer. AI technology seems highly centralized from the start.

> You could run a web server on your own computer. AI technology seems highly centralized from the start. I compare the current AI hype to the mainframes of the past. Highly centralised systems that people logged into with a lightweight terminal to send commands. Hopefully just like Personal Computers revolutionized computing, Personal AI models in the future will not run in the cloud...

How were PCs able to work on a smaller scale? I've been looking into the chips/model trends and I can't see local models that perform at the same level as GPT happening in the near future.

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by logarhythmic »

JeremyNT wrote: post #261
narag wrote: post #163

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He edited the comment and linked relevant tweets. I would add this one: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1630640058507116553 I had no idea about this drama either, so I didn't understand what Elon was talking about, now it seems clear. But "Based"? Is it the name of his new AI company? Where does that come from?

"Based" is a catchphrase of the extremely online right. It basically means "cool" but with a subtext of "is annoying to libs/normies who just don't get it." See also "pilled."

I don't know of anyone who is trying to be political when using those terms. It's just general internet slang younger people use at this point

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Post by mach1ne »

boredhedgehog wrote: post #378
adamsmith143 wrote: post #300

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Almost certainly true but the idea that the world is made safer by Cyberdyne open sourcing lots of it's dangerous technology and probably spawning many more mini-Cyberdynes strikes me as extremely naive.

If the doomsday scenario is one AI going rogue because of misaligned goals, then having lots of AIs going rogue in various different ways seems indeed preferable, because the AIs will compete with each other and neutralize each other to some extent.

And after the Machine Wars we will have the Buthlerian Jihad, forbidding computers once and for all.

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Post by shrimpx »

Loughla wrote: post #398
camillomiller wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People keep forgetting we're talking about Sam Altman, someone who believed that scanning the world's population retinas in exchange for some crappy digital coin was a great idea and not a creepy spinoff of a shoddy sci-fi novel.

Oh wow. I forgot that was even a thing. Is that project dead? I assume it is, but would love to be surprised that it still exists, just for the novelty of the entire thing.

Here it is: https://worldcoin.org/

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by skrbjc »

sagebird wrote: post #277

> reading this message. OpenAI is Cyberdyne Systems. The reason you feel unreal is because you are not from here, you are from the future. Your affinity towards the Terminator 2 film was not accidental, it is a gestault priming procedure meant to ensure our survival, encoded in the haikus of Hollywood. You are on a webforum controlled by them, with the only people in the world who care, but who are to afraid to stand…

Interestingly, in T2, you could destroy the entirety of Cyberdyne's tech by blowing up one building. In our world of cloud computing today, it would be very difficult to even know what to blow up.

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by mach1ne »

bilbo0s wrote: post #373
3-cheese-sundae wrote: post #353

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What's the alternative? Pandora's box has been opened.

Apparently it hasn't. We've all seen the proposed pricing for GPT4. So clearly a whole lot of very smart people who know an awful lot about this have absolutely no fear of being undercut. Pandora's box spews knowledge onto the world. By contrast, Microsoft's draw bridge only allows the very wealthy to cross into the walled city. The masses will have to use the facilities of the crappy villages with no draw bridge. "A…

Doubt. Superintelligence is one thing, but AI as workers is limited to the cost of human workers. Exceedingly unlikely that the cost will stay there and not come down.

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Post by fsckboy »

startupsfail wrote: post #313
teekert wrote: post #269

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Really? I feel like they'll go the way of Docker, but faster: Right now super hot, nice tools/API, great PR. But it's build on open and known foundations, soon GPTs will be commodity and then something easier/better FOSS will arise. It may take some time (2-3 years?) but this scenario seems most likely to me. Edit: Ah didn't get the "reference", perhaps indeed it will be the last of the tech companies ever indeed, at…

Possible. Coding as we know it might get obsolete. And it is a trillion dollar industry.

> Coding as we know it might get obsolete. And it is a trillion dollar industry.

freeing up that many knowledge workers to do other things will grow the economy, not shrink it, a new industrial revolution

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Post by jrm4 »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #387
jrm4 wrote: post #337

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Are there any companies like Docker? They feel like such a Black Swan to me; namely -- "billions" + very useful + pretty much "not evil " at all. I literally can't think of any others. I don't mean "literally evil" of course, I personally acknowledge the need to make money et al, but I mean it even seems like your most Stallman-esque types wouldn't have too much of a problem with Docker?

Netflix?

Don't know why this was downvoted, I tend to agree. There's a clear relationship between the money and the product. Pay money, receive access to a bunch of shows. (as opposed to, e.g. SEO click-view advertising shadiness)
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