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OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by npteljes »

5350-uiop-1130 wrote: post #29

capitalism ruins everything. imagine speed of improvement in AI if everything was open sourced, instead of guarding their little secrets. i hope google get f**, hoarding AI knowledge for years, only got shaken after recent events force them.

Not keeping promises is not the system's fault. People do it all the time in very different environments. When the context of the promise changes significantly, it tries the resolve behind the promise, and it's natural, almost expected, that people break it. Capitalism is almost orthogonal to this phenomenon. Of course, in a capitalist society, you'll see a lot of examples of capitalist entities making the bad stuff. But if we organized things in a different way, then different entities would be doing very similar things.

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by narag »

raincole wrote: post #23
lfkdev wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"OpenAI was created as an open source (which is why I named it “Open” AI), non-profit company to serve as a counterweight to Google, but now it has become a closed source, maximum-profit company effectively controlled by Microsoft. Not what I intended at all." - Elon You can think what you want of Elon, but he is in the right here.

Yeah, parent comment complains Elon is bashing OpenAI "any opportunity he gets"... while unable to point out how Elon's comment is wrong. Maybe they just wants to express how much they don't like Elon any opportunity they gets.

He edited the comment and linked relevant tweets.

I would add this one:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1630640058507116553

I had no idea about this drama either, so I didn't understand what Elon was talking about, now it seems clear.

But "Based"? Is it the name of his new AI company? Where does that come from?

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by college_physics »

blowski wrote: post #28
college_physics wrote: post #14

"Open" as in "Open for Big Business"? The main reason to worry, though, is not the proprietary monetization of "AI" algorithms: Just like it was not an algorithm (pagerank) but the invention of adtech that spawned surveillance capitalism, here too the main question is what sort of "disruption" can this tech facilitate , as in which social contract will be violated in order to "create value". "Success" in "tech" has f…

Your comment has so many "speech marks" I find it hard to read.

Its sort of intentional. Imho, the gap between reality (what trully happens on the ground and why) and the language used (how things are labelled and communicated) is reaching incredible levels of obfuscation and misinformation. A true "virtual reality"

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by [deleted] »

jackmott42 wrote: post #125
Lionga wrote: post #39

Nice grift by Sam Altman taking all the donations and good will a non profit gets just to flip 180. He probably would have done the same with his crypto scam startup worldcoin if it would not have failed in every way before he could scam.

and think of all the talks he is going to do in the future about "hard work" and "ethics" and "innovation"

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Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by stingraycharles »

olalonde wrote: post #103
Lionga wrote: post #39

Nice grift by Sam Altman taking all the donations and good will a non profit gets just to flip 180. He probably would have done the same with his crypto scam startup worldcoin if it would not have failed in every way before he could scam.

It's weird to me that this is even possible legally (turning a nonprofit into a for-profit).

It’s not difficult. I suspect it’s not as much as turning a non-profit into a for-profit, as it is about starting a new company and somehow transferring/licensing the IP from the old into the new.

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

newyankee wrote: post #136
olalonde wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's weird to me that this is even possible legally (turning a nonprofit into a for-profit).

Anything is possible if you are powerful enough and have the world's biggest companies competing for your product. My worry is that even a half baked AI can produce useful wonders in many fields like healthcare, however useful amounts of data will now only be accessible and available to powerful players. Probably OpenAI did the bait and switch to get many competing sides on the same page.

Yuuup. And just like with Facebook, real power ( information ) in the form of ingested data and prompts will be available to people like Altman, Thiel and Musk, while everyone is gushing over being able to build a simple website automatically ( which is arguably cool ).

I wish I could trust FB to deliver on their promises, but this community's only hope is to ensure an open source version of gpt exists.

edit: To the best of my knowledge, banks seem to shy away from those tools so far, but I am sure there are analysts out there just waiting for an ok.

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by b112 »

falcor84 wrote: post #140

The article mentions the following without any specific citation: > Google, for example, has highlighted the efficiency gains from AI that autocompletes code, as it lays off thousands of workers. Does anyone here have a reference for this? Is this from a particular press release?

The two statements are not related, except by the journalist trying to infer they are.

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by tluyben2 »

krageon wrote: post #145
api wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of non-OSI open source licenses are ironically motivated by other forms of bad corporate behavior: take open source, SaaSify it, make massive profits, give nothing back. In some cases they go so far as to rebrand it and give no credit. Licenses like the SSPL try to restrict this behavior.

The AGPL (also) does this explicitly, but really there should be a general OSS license that forbids commercial use. That way the software stays where it is most needed and doesn't get abused to make profit. Is there such a license?

Yeah; just make a license which forbids any commercial and is GPL style viral and offer another commercial license so you can make money. Use the same features in both; no need to hold back as no-one using it can do so commercially unless they bought a license, which can be yearly etc etc.
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