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Lawsuits Block Thousands of Seattle Homes, $39M for Affordable Housing

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Re: Lawsuits Block Thousands of Seattle Homes, $39M for Affordable Housing

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Post by pwinnski »

steponlego wrote: post #157
pwinnski wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems you've been posting every two minutes for too long to have noticed how wrong you are. Calm down with the nonsense labels and conspiracy foolishness, maybe take a break from posting to touch nature. The State of California recently revoked the rights of quite a few smaller jurisdictions to set their own zoning laws because they abdicated that right by refusing to set zoning laws that allowed for new developme…

California is a model for what other states want to avoid doing. And if you’re admitting that you wish to use bribed politicians to enact WEF policies where’s the conspiracy theory? People don’t want to become California and will work to prevent their states from resembling it.

I wish for elected politicians to do what we elected them to do, which does not at all involve bribery or globalist conspiracies.

I'll grant that California is in some ways a negative model. For example, I hate that the NIMBY capture that has been a factor in driving prices up in California has started to show up in Texas.

Oh yeah, that's another bad assumption you made. I live in Texas, a place people often move to from California in part because it's growing rapidly, since NIMBYs haven't yet captured the legal system here. Of course, it's fun to see people who moved here within the last couple of years speak up at city council meetings against new development, because they're trying to "California my Texas" by bringing their NIMBY nonsense with them. They struggle to explain why the house that was built for them within the last three years is good, while the new houses are bad, of course.

Re: Lawsuits Block Thousands of Seattle Homes, $39M for Affordable Housing

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Post by pwinnski »

nostromo wrote: post #151
pwinnski wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a perfectly reasonable proposal, unless you are living next to where a fourplex is being built, and you're worried about "those people" moving in nearby, where "those people" are either "poor" or "not white," depending on how much honest the NIMBY protestors are being. There are empty lots around the corner from me, and I hope they build as much housing on them as possible.

> "those people" are either "poor" or "not white" This argument actually does your argument a disservice. And I agree with your argument. I've talked with plenty of NIMBYs in my neiborhood when an apartment building was going through approval. They aren't racists. And in fact they are often people of color. Their concerns aren't with poor people either. They tend to mention things like parking, traffic, density, char…

Their concerns aren't with poor people, but with "traffic" and "density" and "character," which... I mean... Okay. Existing houses clearly don't have cars, and were built to replace existing houses, not on empty lots, right?

"I don't mind people being poor, so long as they don't drive on the same roads I do, and there aren't too many of them, and they don't in any way change the status quo as it existed the moment I finished unpacking my moving boxes."

Call it whatever you want, but a focus on property values is always a push for higher economic brackets, never lower.

Re: Lawsuits Block Thousands of Seattle Homes, $39M for Affordable Housing

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Post by WaxProlix »

pwinnski wrote: post #162
nostromo wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "those people" are either "poor" or "not white" This argument actually does your argument a disservice. And I agree with your argument. I've talked with plenty of NIMBYs in my neiborhood when an apartment building was going through approval. They aren't racists. And in fact they are often people of color. Their concerns aren't with poor people either. They tend to mention things like parking, traffic, density, char…

Their concerns aren't with poor people, but with "traffic" and "density" and "character," which... I mean... Okay. Existing houses clearly don't have cars, and were built to replace existing houses, not on empty lots, right? "I don't mind people being poor, so long as they don't drive on the same roads I do, and there aren't too many of them, and they don't in any way change the status quo as it existed the moment I…

I hear what you're saying but there's a difference - if a seemingly subtle one - between "their motivations are racist/classist" and "their choices result in effectively racist/classist outcomes[, and they don't care]". Leading with the former puts peoples' backs up and terminates conversations IME.

Re: Lawsuits Block Thousands of Seattle Homes, $39M for Affordable Housing

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Post by the_only_law »

gretch wrote: post #62
GalenErso wrote: post #6

Related article. The build nothing country: https://noahpinion.substack.com/p/the-build-nothing-country "We no longer have the luxury of giving our people a shadow subsidy by freezing their neighborhoods and cities in amber. Spiraling housing costs in any city with real economic opportunity, a floundering energy transition, and the inexorable migration of manufacturing to more development-friendly countries have beco…

I don't think this is true. The actual raw amount of land on plant earth is abundant, it's just that much of it is unattractive to modern humans due to not being hooked up to internet/electricity and not near interesting things like shopping or concerts. I did a quick search and found many articles where states are encouraging people to homestead in unoccupied land as a form of development. (I will grant that this ar…

> I think it's actually really easy to go out into the middle of nowhere, have no master and claim some land

Until you get arrested after someone saw you squatting/building/hunting/farming/whatever on some vacant field owned by some private entity or the BLM.

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