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Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by atleta »

lolinder wrote: post #597
atleta wrote: post #573

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That's a fair point, but indeed a lot of people will kill their phone in less than 3 years. Either breaking the screen (which, IIUC, will be also replaceable/self servicable) or killing the battery. Most sources say that the battery will keep an acceptable capacity for around 500 cycles, i.e. 1.5 years if fully charged daily. (Now I don't know, because I'm very cautious not to fully charge and to discharge below 25-3…

> Most sources say that the battery will keep an acceptable capacity for around 500 cycles, i.e. 1.5 years if fully charged daily. This is what I see online, but this hasn't been my experience for any of my devices. My current phone is on year 5 with the same battery, and it's still very decent. I charge it every day to 100% and often plug it back in while it's still at 50%, so it's not like I'm being more careful th…

Yep, some people seem to have a proclivity towards thinking that whatever is (or seems) disadvantageous to them (or a group they identify with) is somehow done on purpose by someone/a group that will profit from the said thing.

But if you think about it, it doesn't even work here. First of all, no one can tell you that your battery has a poor capacity, because you test it daily. And people are pretty sensitive to this issue, because we have tricked the manufacturers to create phones that have just enough capacity. (By requiring faster phones, larger, better screens and thinner phones. And not requiring a battery that lasts much more than a day.)

Actually that 'narrative' has the opposite effect: there are a lot of articles online that tell you how to enhance the life of the batteries. (Whether it's really needed or not doesn't make a difference.)

Regarding charging it from 50%: this is not something that hurts Li batteries. Actually it's better than allowing it to drain (or go into some unspecified low percentages, probably below 20 or 10). Charging to 100% is said to have a negative effect. I mean it probably wears faster than if you charge to just 85%.

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Post by rldjbpin »

i am not sure about the "update lifespan ruining the phone's longevity" point. people never held the same standards for dumb phones with little to no software revisions.

i get that android is infested with malware. however, if people, even companies, can choose to stick with older versions of windows despite going out of support, regular folk who don't install random apps should have no issues with this.

also, not to disregard potential community rom support if this takes off.

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Post by hot_gril »

kuschku wrote: post #952
hot_gril wrote: post #911

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SD cards are made for cameras etc, and they're good for that. They have sequential RW speeds to match common video formats at 1X speed or burst photo capture. The spec sheets won't tell you how terrible the random write speed is, and even the quoted sequential speeds aren't very good, but that's ok for cameras. I use a modern high-end SD card from SanDisk as semi-permanent storage in my MBP. If I copy anything to tha…

> even the quoted sequential speeds aren't very good, but that's ok for cameras The SD cards usually used for mirrorless cameras, when recording video, have to write at 600 Mb/s. That should be plenty for most apps in phones. (e.g. ProRes 422 at 4K 10-bit or XAVC-I 4:2:2 at 4K 10-bit)

That's only sequential write speed. Of course the camera features on a phone will have no problem using an SD card, but other stuff dealing with more random writes to things like SQLite stores (common for phone apps) or directory trees might. Like I said, I've only used an SD card on my Mac, and it was a bad experience, so I'm guessing a bit about phone usage.

90MB/s is slower than most HDDs, btw.

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Post by hot_gril »

Schroedingersat wrote: post #922
hot_gril wrote: post #911

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SD cards are made for cameras etc, and they're good for that. They have sequential RW speeds to match common video formats at 1X speed or burst photo capture. The spec sheets won't tell you how terrible the random write speed is, and even the quoted sequential speeds aren't very good, but that's ok for cameras. I use a modern high-end SD card from SanDisk as semi-permanent storage in my MBP. If I copy anything to tha…

With a decent filesystem and a ram buffer the better microsd cards still beat an old 5400rpm 128GB HDD's sequential speed when doing random writes of ~500kB files by a fair margin. 150MB/s is nowhere near SSD speed, but it would saturate a SATA I port.

I'm not sure about that test cause there are too many variables, but in the typical real-world usage of like cloning a git code repo onto my SD card or opening a zip file, it was always painfully slow. I wasn't even benchmarking, I was just trying to get stuff done and not wanting to wait on it. In fact I moved the files to an HDD to do it one time.

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

paulmd wrote: post #690
wahnfrieden wrote: post #640

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what do you still need the phone for since they added standalone capabilities?

You need an iphone at least to register the watch to the account, although I don't think anything forces you to keep it after.

> I don't think anything forces you to keep it after

Many watchOS apps and features require an iPhone in order to be set up. For example: Oceanic+, Waterlamma, Overcast, various Apple Health features, or Sleep Cycle. That's a pretty wide variety from my own experience so I suspect it's quite common.

Until that stops being a thing, we'll need iOS to maintain our watches. In some cases it sort of makes sense because you're using apps that function sort of like a sidecar to iOS apps, not a standalone app. There are several where this isn't the case at all though, and it feels a lot like unnecessary tethering which limits our ability to use an otherwise very capable device on its own.

I think we'll get there; other manufacturers won't have the same incentive to keep watch apps tethered to phones, and I suspect that freedom will become increasingly appealing to Apple Watch users. I could be wrong, but I imagine eventually that limitation will seem too ridiculous to consumers. I don't expect to happen for quite a while still, though.

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Post by norin »

toastal wrote: post #667
kuschku wrote: post #357

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And require me to throw away headphones that have worked fine for decades. Even this nokia phone has a 3.5mm port, why doesn't Google support it anymore?

Why they don't support heodphones? Because Google needs to sell matching Pixel buds that can't be repaired due to size and operate on flaky Bluetooth connections with questionable sound quality.

it's pretty much nonsense tbh. you'd think they've learned something from previous phones.

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

varenc wrote: post #715
paulmd wrote: post #690

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You need an iphone at least to register the watch to the account, although I don't think anything forces you to keep it after.

Can the Apple watch last all day if it’s using cellular for data and doesn’t have wifi or a phone to piggyback from?

The Apple Watch Ultra can quite easily (I listen to podcasts, make phone calls, respond to messages, monitor sleep, and always make it through a day and end up charging the next evening), but it's extremely expensive for something that isn't properly standalone.

The other watches seem to come close, but should be topped up pretty much daily (with my level of usage) from what I understand.

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #640
steve_adams_86 wrote: post #615

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I absolutely love my watch and mostly stopped using my phone since getting it, but it’s mind blowing that such an expensive and capable device is forced to piggy back off of a phone. Why can’t my watch be supported by MacOS rather than iOS? I mean, I know why, but it’s crazy. As soon as I find a high quality standalone watch I’ll start to seriously consider not having a phone at all. Or perhaps just not an expensive…

what do you still need the phone for since they added standalone capabilities?

Unfortunately several apps and features (both Apple and 3rd party) require the phone for set up and configuration.

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Post by hot_gril »

jonwinstanley wrote: post #946
hot_gril wrote: post #901

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Headphone jack isn't even a niche. Every phone should have it, and they did, and would still had phonemakers not realized they can make a lot more money selling wireless earbuds. The flagship smartphone market is in a state of reduced competition and vertical integration, and if that ever ends, the jack will come back.

Not sure about everyone else but personally I don't want a headphone jack. I prefer the slimmer phone and increased battery that is only possible once it is removed. Related - I'm a huge fan of Airpods and only ever want to use my wired headphones with my laptop

I don't know which uses more power, wired or wireless headphones. If the wireless ones use more, idk if the additional volume gained by removing the jack makes up for that, and if so by how much.

All I know is when I want to pass the aux to a newer iPhone, I need a stupid dongle now, which funny enough doesn't work with the old one. And either phone's battery will last all day regardless.

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