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Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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peterlk wrote: post #391

And it comes with a 3mm headphone jack! Hallelujah!! I’m so, so glad someone is stepping up to fill this niche. My only complaint, and it’s kind if a big one, is that the screen is too damn big. I’m tired of phone manufacturers forcing me to carry a television in my pocket. I want something small that I can hold in one hand without a pop socket. I’ll trade performance, camera quality, basically anything for a phone w…

Headphone jack isn't even a niche. Every phone should have it, and they did, and would still had phonemakers not realized they can make a lot more money selling wireless earbuds. The flagship smartphone market is in a state of reduced competition and vertical integration, and if that ever ends, the jack will come back.

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graderjs wrote: post #634
peterlk wrote: post #391

And it comes with a 3mm headphone jack! Hallelujah!! I’m so, so glad someone is stepping up to fill this niche. My only complaint, and it’s kind if a big one, is that the screen is too damn big. I’m tired of phone manufacturers forcing me to carry a television in my pocket. I want something small that I can hold in one hand without a pop socket. I’ll trade performance, camera quality, basically anything for a phone w…

Agree! There should be a couple of different form factors? I got an iPhone 13 mini specifically because I hate the giant phones. My hands aren't small or weak (I do chinups and push ups, practically have to as maintenance to prevent nerve pain, muscle pain, low circulation with all the typing I do), but why do I need to ruin my finger nerves and muscles and wrist carrying and using a GigantoPhone. I find phone use to…

Even the 12/13 mini is bigger than the iPhone 5, which was considered the biggest phone a regular person could use comfortably with one hand.

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dataflow wrote: post #717
enraged_camel wrote: post #714

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>> Can't update my phone within 1 microsecond of a patch being released? I guess I might as well just die. Much safer than risking the Malware can indeed be worse than hell. Have you ever had your bank account hacked? Or your email account broken into? Or your identity stolen and had to deal with dozens of credit cards being registered and then hit the limit under your name? I’ve had friends (and family) deal with su…

> Malware can indeed be worse than hell. Have you ever had your bank account hacked? Or your email account broken into? Or your identity stolen [...] I've never been to hell (I think?)... I suppose I can't assume you're the same, but I'm pretty confident I would much rather deal with, say, a stolen identity, than go to hell. Most people's risk-tolerances including many life-threatening dangers they face on a daily ba…

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dataflow wrote: post #685
cubefox wrote: post #439

Does anyone notice the irony of it being partly repairable, while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away? The repairability sounds nice, but it is very irrelevant compared to the limited software updates. Imagine buying a Windows laptop and only receiving three years of security updates. (I know, most other phones aren't better.) It would have been better…

> while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away Nope, you don't. It's just that somehow techies seem to have gotten this meme into their heads that an unpatched life isn't worth living. Can't update my phone within 1 microsecond of a patch being released? I guess I might as well just die. Much safer than risking the > The repairability sounds nice, but it…

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cubefox wrote: post #439

Does anyone notice the irony of it being partly repairable, while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away? The repairability sounds nice, but it is very irrelevant compared to the limited software updates. Imagine buying a Windows laptop and only receiving three years of security updates. (I know, most other phones aren't better.) It would have been better…

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solarkraft wrote: post #35

I'm happy about this! But, while repairability is always great, a major (maybe the biggest) part of phone obsolescence is due to software. 2 or 3 years of updates are a joke, Apple does up to 8. The best hope here is that this phone's repairability will attract a software hacking community to provide inofficial updates, but what a terrible thing to have to rely on. Besides: Phones by other brands like Pocophone are p…

When you optimize around something that's more of an interest than a need, you get results that don't make a lot of sense, like a stick-shift electric car. The Indian market has a legitimate reason for repairable phones, so they have a solution that makes sense in terms of cost and usability.

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Post by graderjs »

hot_gril wrote: post #902
graderjs wrote: post #634

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Agree! There should be a couple of different form factors? I got an iPhone 13 mini specifically because I hate the giant phones. My hands aren't small or weak (I do chinups and push ups, practically have to as maintenance to prevent nerve pain, muscle pain, low circulation with all the typing I do), but why do I need to ruin my finger nerves and muscles and wrist carrying and using a GigantoPhone. I find phone use to…

Even the 12/13 mini is bigger than the iPhone 5, which was considered the biggest phone a regular person could use comfortably with one hand.

Yeah! I had a 5S. I loved that little guy. Another reason I got the mini for the angles like the 5S. How much bigger is it? 13 is okay. But I should make it go back to 5S size

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graderjs wrote: post #907
hot_gril wrote: post #902

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Even the 12/13 mini is bigger than the iPhone 5, which was considered the biggest phone a regular person could use comfortably with one hand.

Yeah! I had a 5S. I loved that little guy. Another reason I got the mini for the angles like the 5S. How much bigger is it? 13 is okay. But I should make it go back to 5S size

The phone sizes aren't that much different.

5: 123.8 x 58.6 x 7.6 mm

12 mini: 131.5 x 64.2 x 7.4 mm

The more important difference is, the 12 mini screen is 5.42" diagonal instead of 4" like the 5. This is maybe marketed as a benefit, but it means I can't comfortably reach the entire screen during one-handed use.

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scarface74 wrote: post #880
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #689

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There are tons of people who use their phones to make phone calls and send texts and read the occasional Wikipedia article. They don't need newer hardware. People who want to play video games on their phones will need newer phones, but even they benefit from being able to sell their old one to the people who don't need that instead of having to throw it away.

And those people couldn’t use anything older than 5 - the first to support LTE. Many networks wouldn’t even support that.

Better phones would be designed with upgradeable modems because the phone would be useful for longer than the modem is, but anything with WiFi can be connected to a hotspot.

I'm kind of surprised that isn't more popular in general, because the hotspot lets you connect all your devices with one plan for <$10/month if you don't use a lot of cellular data, e.g. because you mostly use it in your car and spend most of your time connected to some other WiFi.

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atleta wrote: post #573
cubefox wrote: post #439

Does anyone notice the irony of it being partly repairable, while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away? The repairability sounds nice, but it is very irrelevant compared to the limited software updates. Imagine buying a Windows laptop and only receiving three years of security updates. (I know, most other phones aren't better.) It would have been better…

That's a fair point, but indeed a lot of people will kill their phone in less than 3 years. Either breaking the screen (which, IIUC, will be also replaceable/self servicable) or killing the battery. Most sources say that the battery will keep an acceptable capacity for around 500 cycles, i.e. 1.5 years if fully charged daily. (Now I don't know, because I'm very cautious not to fully charge and to discharge below 25-3…

My Galaxy S22+ has a battery protection mode that stops charging at 85%. I imagine other builds of Android have this, but it's the first I've directly come across.
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