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Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by Spivak »

fennecfoxy wrote: post #938
Spivak wrote: post #441

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And they hated him because he spoke the truth. Phones being disposable is something we just accepted. A POTS phone bought in the 1890’s would work without modification until the 1990’s and still will work today with an adapter. Why? Because we didn’t have continuous protocol churn. If it was invented today in 2 years there would POTS/2, KETTLE, and a draft spec for POTS2.1 written on a used napkin but somehow already…

Some of it is to do with your so-called "protocol churn" but also the fact that a phone from the 1890's is order of magnitude less complex than a modern smartphone. It's really a ridiculous argument. Many of the required updates to a device are security related, perhaps they could write said software better so that there are never bugs...but software is complicated now; millions & millions of lines or code and dozens…

And to that I point to cars, devices that also have millions of lines of code (some luxury cars apparently have 100 million lines of code) that drive security and safety critical systems. They are also an amalgam of far far more parts and chips than any phone is.

But here’s the thing, the complexity isn’t even relevant, the thing that would make phones last for ages is just committing to some basic set of hardware interfaces. You can pull an ancient desktop out of your basement and run the latest Linux on it and you ought to be able to do that with phones too.

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Post by Idiot_in_Vain »

Nokia G22 is a good budget phone. The SOC - Tiger 606 has two big and six small CPU cores, while most budget SOCs have eight small cores. Together with 4GB RAM makes for mostly lag free UI. 4GB/64GB is the minimal config to run comfortably recent versions of Android.

On top of that it comes with modern design, USB type C port, large battery (can easily last two days of moderate use) and fast charging (20W max).

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Post by scarface74 »

kuschku wrote: post #954
scarface74 wrote: post #877

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USB c headphones are dime a dozen as are headphones with lightning adaptares. But worrying about ewaste from headphones and then buying an Android phone with a piss poor history of long term operating system support is looking at the wrong place

And where were those when I got my current set of headphones in 2006 (!) Why should I throw away headphones that work perfectly fine (or constantly lose and buy new adapters)? It's not like removing the headphone jack helped in slimness or battery runtime – the iPod shuffle had a headphone jack and that worked just fine, almost 20 years ago!

You’re right. Why would I rebuy my perfectly good cassette tapes and buy CDs and then later on pay $12/month for a streaming service.

I really shouldn’t have had to get rid of all of SCSI peripherals either.

And Apple really should haven’t abandoned the 32 pin connector either on the first iPod. All of my accessories like my cassette to 30 pin adapter that let me pause and play my iPod from tape deck became obsolete

  Btw, did you also complain when you couldn’t use your 32 pin iPod accessories with your Shuffle?
BTW, are you a runner? Do you travel a lot and go through airports? Wired headphones are really irritating and are always getting tangled. These days, when I run outdoors, I leave my phone at home and run exclusively with my cellular watch.

Besides, I have an Apple Watch, iPad, phone and Mac. When I start doing something on one, my Airpods automatically switch.

The AirPod shuffle was also not waterproof and running with that and the wired headphones was irritating especially compared to my Watch with AirPods.

There are plenty of Lightning headphones available

https://www.macworld.com/article/668694/best-lightning-headp...

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Post by electrosphere »

kuschku wrote: post #357
riku_iki wrote: post #295

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> The real next innovation for an Android device maker will be providing at least 5 years of updates pixels starting with pixel 6 have 5 years of updates.

And require me to throw away headphones that have worked fine for decades. Even this nokia phone has a 3.5mm port, why doesn't Google support it anymore?

Dude, just get a USB-C to 3.5mm DAC adaptor. It's not expensive.

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Post by webdoodle »

That is a definite step in the right direction. Non-removable batteries and removal of physical jacks worsened planned obsolescence considerably. Now they just need physical switches for wifi, bluetooth, cell service, camera, mic, and gps. I might actually own a cellphone again, if they do. I've been cell free for almost 3 years now.

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Post by wesapien »

digitallyfree wrote: post #188
wesapien wrote: post #180

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Hopefully, the bootloader is unlocked for third party ROMs like Lineage and others

Honestly it would be a huge selling point for this device if it had excellent custom ROM support on top of the repairability. There are phones from 2015 still being supported today by Lineage.

I still have my original LG V20 and I bought the international/dual-sim version to be my main. It's like the Thinkpad of smartphones. Along with my T480, it's on the best gadgets I've owned.

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Post by electrosphere »

grishka wrote: post #704
dataflow wrote: post #685

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> while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away Nope, you don't. It's just that somehow techies seem to have gotten this meme into their heads that an unpatched life isn't worth living. Can't update my phone within 1 microsecond of a patch being released? I guess I might as well just die. Much safer than risking the > The repairability sounds nice, but it…

I build Android apps for a living. Let me tell you, the majority of users are on "outdated" OS versions. You have to support 5-7 years of Android releases to cover a substantial part of the Android user base. The app I'm currently working on requires a minimum version of 6.0 — this came out in 2015. I still test my apps on a Nexus 5. Many people would buy a phone that will never receive a single update. The software…

This. My Mum uses an Android 10 device. No security updates since 2021.

But the apps still work and get updated and that for her and most people is enough.

It's not ideal and as she is not tech-literate, the day might come where she clicks on something which exploits an unpatched vuln :/

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Post by thow_away_34564 »

foepys wrote: post #718
999900000999 wrote: post #457

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Plenty of jacks if you know where to look. Midrange phones like the Moto G line still have them.

I will never buy a high end Android phone for three reasons: - no headphone jack - no SD card slot - all come with ad-ware and un-uninstallable third-party apps like Facebook (except for Google Pixels, which don't satisfy the first two criteria) Mid range is where it's at. Why pay $200 more for 256 instead of 128 GB when I can put in my 1,000 GB mircoSD card? It's a shame that Fairphone went with the no SD card trend…

I just wanted to say for high-end Android phones that have all of the above I would look into the Sony Xperia line of phones.

Great camera, great screen, headphone jack, microSD card slot too!

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Post by thow_away_34564 »

tildef wrote: post #796
foepys wrote: post #718

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I will never buy a high end Android phone for three reasons: - no headphone jack - no SD card slot - all come with ad-ware and un-uninstallable third-party apps like Facebook (except for Google Pixels, which don't satisfy the first two criteria) Mid range is where it's at. Why pay $200 more for 256 instead of 128 GB when I can put in my 1,000 GB mircoSD card? It's a shame that Fairphone went with the no SD card trend…

Might be worth having a look at Sony if you want to spend more money for whatever reason. Latest Xperia 1 and 5 both have 3.5mm jacks and SD card slots. There is some preinstalled software (camera apps, Google apps, probably FaceBook) but overall not too-too bad.

I just wanted to say I have the Sony Xperia 1 iv and it is a great phone!
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