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Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by tastysandwich »

> It runs Android 12 and will be supported for three years of monthly security updates and two major Android version upgrades.

They couldn't get Android 13 in time? Seeing as it's already a major version behind, and 14 will be released in August 2023, you're really only getting another six months of software support (plus security fixes).

I'm not an Android dev but my understanding is that a lot of work has been put into making Android easier to upgrade major versions (eg, core functionality being split out into separate services). It doesn't look like that is translating into longer upgrade support, which is a shame. But I suppose that's why we're getting 5 years of security updates? (which is probably most important)

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by nhchris »

lallysingh wrote: post #234
mlinksva wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The positive (and there's plenty of criticism; search and read) point being made about iphone is that it has a longer support duration. This seems highly complementary to repairability -- both seem important to maximize useful life -- and thus an entirely fair point, no? I'm recently on my 4th Android smartphone in 12 years (Galaxy S, Moto G, Pixel 2, Pixel 7) and would be still on the Pixel 2 if not for lack of upda…

Does that compete much against a $150-ish phone with 3 years of software support and super cheap, user replacable parts? I think it's making excuses that the iPhone isn't just a giant burning money pit for customers. Why are folks in a completely different market segment comparing the two?

They're comparing them because software support shouldn't be a problem, regardless of market segment. You can run fully up to date linux on 15 year old computers, but in moving to phones, they destroyed what we took for granted. This is a manufactured problem, and it's no coincidence that it lines the pockets of smartphone makers.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by pimeys »

cwillu wrote: post #212
pimeys wrote: post #172

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I've been looking for a browser extension I could use to filter certain things out from my internet feeds. For example making anything related to Apple completely vanish for me. I wonder could the GPT be utilized for this?

I made an Ask HN post on this subject a while back. Got 10 upvotes before it got flagged and hidden. :)

I actually stopped reading HN as much as I used to in the past 10+ years because of this. I found out running a small fediverse server and just curating my own feed keeps all the Apple stuff out from my view, and it's also easy to just hide/ban/filter people. It's sad, because I really don't want to jump in into many HN threads anymore...

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by [deleted] »

jimnotgym wrote: post #203
Klonoar wrote: post #191

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So just to be clear: you want to discuss a smartphone, in a vacuum, completely ignoring what - barring a few select Android phones - effectively sets the bar for the industry. It’s not “fanbois”, it’s just reality. HN isn’t the one that needs to get a grip here.

People could compare the Nokia to comparable phones perhaps? There are other repairable phones available, although I don't recall any this cheap? In other news my Ford is not as comfortable as your Rolls Royce, and my Sekonda watch is not going to last like your Rolex....

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Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by mlinksva »

hammock wrote: post #237
mlinksva wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The positive (and there's plenty of criticism; search and read) point being made about iphone is that it has a longer support duration. This seems highly complementary to repairability -- both seem important to maximize useful life -- and thus an entirely fair point, no? I'm recently on my 4th Android smartphone in 12 years (Galaxy S, Moto G, Pixel 2, Pixel 7) and would be still on the Pixel 2 if not for lack of upda…

> The point being made about iphone is that it has a longer support duration. This seems highly complementary to repairability Seems like you might call that “software repairability”

No, I'd just call it software support duration, or more narrowly software security update duration. "Software repairability" basically means FOSS (though I don't want to underestimate what creative people will do without source or permission).

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by lallysingh »

nhchris wrote: post #252
lallysingh wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does that compete much against a $150-ish phone with 3 years of software support and super cheap, user replacable parts? I think it's making excuses that the iPhone isn't just a giant burning money pit for customers. Why are folks in a completely different market segment comparing the two?

They're comparing them because software support shouldn't be a problem, regardless of market segment. You can run fully up to date linux on 15 year old computers, but in moving to phones, they destroyed what we took for granted. This is a manufactured problem, and it's no coincidence that it lines the pockets of smartphone makers.

Support costs money, and it's part of the price. This moralizing is ridiculous.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by Yujf »

cromulent wrote: post #138
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #111

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Did Nokia used to manufacture there own phones? Or have they always just done design - like Apple - and someone else manufactured them?

They used to make them. A manufacturing company from way back, they were the biggest manufacturer of phones from about 1998 to 2011. Now HMD make them, I think.

HMD designs and sells them, Foxconn makes them

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by cvalka »

vbezhenar wrote: post #49
cvalka wrote: post #26

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Security updates are a must. Without them it's not a usable device

Not everyone cares about security updates.

Not everyone cares about using condoms for one night stands. Would you apply the same approach to Windows workstations?

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by rconti »

jimnotgym wrote: post #162

Wow HN. I really interesting new product comes out, a really interesting turn in the right to repair debate, and a return of a famous brand. And instead of talking about that, there are a series of threads about how an iphone costing 5 times as much and is famously difficult to repair is a better phone than this. Get a grip! Can we not have a least one conversation without Apple fanbois wading in?

And instead, I join the comments, and the top-rated post is a counter-rant about Apple fanbois that's frankly no more constructive or useful than the content it's complaining about.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by cristiioan »

tastysandwich wrote: post #251

> It runs Android 12 and will be supported for three years of monthly security updates and two major Android version upgrades. They couldn't get Android 13 in time? Seeing as it's already a major version behind, and 14 will be released in August 2023, you're really only getting another six months of software support (plus security fixes). I'm not an Android dev but my understanding is that a lot of work has been put…

Outside the major brands(Samsung, etc), many cheap phones ship with an older version from release. Probably because it is cheaper?
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