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Lab leak most likely origin of Covid-19 pandemic, U.S. agency now says

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Post by somewhereoutth »

dqpb wrote: post #408
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #381

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Context, as always, is key: https://www.npr.org/2021/08/12/1027236499/anti-asian-hate-cr... Are these people who are owed a serious apology the ones who actually attacked Asian-Americans? Or simply the ones who stoked racial animus prompting others to attack them?

The people who are owed an apology are the people who did nothing more than to believe that the wuhan coronavirus outbreak originated from the wuhan coronavirus research lab.

That was situated in a region known for coronaviruses

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Post by mikeyouse »

chitowneats wrote: post #346
mikeyouse wrote: post #325

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There’s an immense benefit to being specific with both what you mean by lab leak (natural virus leaked or modified one did) and by “they” when you’re talking about coverups because it gets weirdly racist and conspiratorial in a hurry otherwise.

Unfortunately, you seem fundamentally confused about the position of people who are skeptical of zoonotic origin. Please explain to me how position A) is more racist than position B) A) Scientists all over the world, including Chinese, Americans, and others, made a fundamental misjudgement about the safety of the Wuhan virology lab, or perhaps viral experimentation generally, and the result was a global pandemic Vers…

I’d rather just leave you to your false dichotomy. Thanks though.

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Post by baja_blast »

hotpotamus wrote: post #415
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #401

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If lab leak is confirmed the correct course of action is to design new systems and protocols to prevent such a thing from happening again in the future. Failure to do so will result in more issues down the line. It's basic engineering. If this kind of research is so important then maybe the nations of the world should buy a cruise ship and implement extreme isolation protocols between interactions, if that's the only…

The US isn't capable of preventing its own citizens from acquiring weapons and performing terrorist attacks with them. The idea that we'll be able to enforce controls on labs in foreign countries seems pretty far fetched given that. And as the tech advances, I suspect it will democratize like any other technology so that a lone enthusiast can design their own viruses in a home lab. I'm not particularly an optimist ab…

But it is in the best interest of all countries. Unlike nuclear weapons where the damage can be isolated to one area, highly contagious weapons are impossible to control and will end up hurting themselves as well.

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Post by mikeyouse »

baja_blast wrote: post #334
mikeyouse wrote: post #210

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Yes we have the sequences and no they’re nothing like SarsCov2

No we do not have the sequences, the lab has so far refused to share the sequences in their public database taken down down September of 2019. Plus recently people have discovered through BLAST searches an unreported Chimera virus that got accidentally got sequenced via contaminated agricultural rice sequencing dataset. Which means they had viruses that have not been previously reported. And this makes sense research…

It was available well into 2020 if you read past the shitty early headlines.

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Post by mwbajor »

somewhereoutth wrote: post #423
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #401

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If lab leak is confirmed the correct course of action is to design new systems and protocols to prevent such a thing from happening again in the future. Failure to do so will result in more issues down the line. It's basic engineering. If this kind of research is so important then maybe the nations of the world should buy a cruise ship and implement extreme isolation protocols between interactions, if that's the only…

And this is (one reason) why so many are keen to believe Lab Leak - because then it was done by 'bad humans' and so can be fixed, instead of being (another) consequence of our encroachment on the natural world and indeed something that often just happens. Much easier to believe the 'baddies' have been found and 'brought to justice' than having to face up to the world we live in and our effect on it.

I agree but also disagree. There are too many conflicting interests and I don't think you will ever get a straight answer. People also can't look at the lab leak with a critical eye because they think it makes them look like trump lovers. I standby my original assertion that a country in grief will collectively go through the stages of grief of which denial is the first. Similar to 9/11 when we convinced ourselves that our foreign policy had nothing to do with terrorist attacks and 2008 when we convinced ourselves bailing out failing industries was a good idea. 20 and 10 years later and we changed our tunes on those things. In 2033 we will finally accept that a lab-leak was most likely but only after the other 6 stages...

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Post by rocketbop »

fswd wrote: post #392
dang wrote: post #317

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Not sure what you mean but it seems par for the course to me.

I should clarify, I'm not suggesting you are censoring, or "site sponsored censorship", rather censorship from users via downvotes. They both accomplish the same thing I could understand why somebody might misunderstand me that you are censoring. The Nordstream 2 thread was also interesting, with tons of users trying to appeal to you specifically to do site censor the story, or tone policing. I remember you stuck to…

It seems like more than a stretch to say downvoting is censoring, as the comments are still visible. Flagging, perhaps.

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Post by credit_guy »

heywhatupboys wrote: post #213
credit_guy wrote: post #41

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The only reason to not say it was a lab leak is to avoid embarrassing those responsible, China first and America second. But little by little people will start accepting that. What should the consequences be? At the very least a tightening of the controls around labs doing bio research. Of course, this amounts to nothing if someone is allowed to outsource research to labs in countries that don't follow the stringent…

> China first and America second. wtf????????????? I have no idea what you are on about

The US was paying for the research that lead to the virus outbreak. Simple as that.

[1] https://www.usaspending.gov/award/ASST_NON_R01AI110964_7529

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Post by ecf »

mwbajor wrote: post #282
ThePhantom wrote: post #205

The lab leak hypothesis makes the most sense. The lab in Wuhan which researches coronaviruses conducts experiences on animals, including bats. Like other labs, there are dedicated personnel for hydrating and feeding the experimental animals. Notably, there are "wet markets" in Wuhan where live animals are sold, including bats, which harbor coronaviruses. Someone who is working in the facility in charge of maintenance…

I don't understand the mental gymnastics to discredit the lab leak hypothesis. The fact that the lab and epicenter of the virus are in the same geographic area make it the likely scenario and warrants the most investigation. The efforts to look past this seem artificial.

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Post by officialjunk »

mwbajor wrote: post #369
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #269

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Good luck getting 95% of the American populace to understand any of that nuance. After seeing lots of Twitter threads about Nate Silver, condemning his lack of "certainty" in his predictions ("It's such a cop out! Since he never says yes or no one way or the other he always has an out when he's wrong!"), I'm even more convinced not just that people don't understand statistics, but they willfully don't want to.

Doesn't matter if they understand the nuance. The lab leak theory takes a back seat for the following reason: Lets say it is found out with definite proof that it was a lab leak. Then what? Grandma's dead, china killed her and there is nothing you can do. We are not going to let this ruin trade relations even more ($$$ LOL) so you're just going to have to forget about it. Every American touched by covid knows this in…

let's remember that the US helped fund this research too https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/06/29/1027290/gain-of-...

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Post by mwbajor »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #424
mwbajor wrote: post #369

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Doesn't matter if they understand the nuance. The lab leak theory takes a back seat for the following reason: Lets say it is found out with definite proof that it was a lab leak. Then what? Grandma's dead, china killed her and there is nothing you can do. We are not going to let this ruin trade relations even more ($$$ LOL) so you're just going to have to forget about it. Every American touched by covid knows this in…

> Every American touched by covid knows this in the back of their head. only Americans were touched by covid I guess... > The first stage of grief is denial. At least a leak is not intentional like killing hundreds of thousand of innocent people by bombing their homes. Leak doesn't mean engineering a disease to kill some specific target, anyway, if China did it to kill Americans, it wouldn't be as bad as the Opium wa…

no one is going to care if the deaths were "intentional" or negligent.
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