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Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by manuelabeledo »

MisterTea wrote: post #844
manuelabeledo wrote: post #833

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There's no significant market for a 4.5" screen phone in 2023. It's not like manufacturers haven't tried. I would also argue that small screens are awful for consuming content nowadays. People with bad eyesight struggle with bigger fonts in a small screen, and publishers tend to try to fit more and more content in each screen. It's systemic.

> I would also argue that small screens are awful for consuming content nowadays I wouldn't. Most content is time wasting nonsense and ads. > People with bad eyesight struggle with bigger fonts in a small screen, My experience with Presbyopia is that a bigger screen is still impossible to read without glasses. Without glasses my only hope is to pinch zoom or browser zoom which works on both large and small screens.

You cannot pinch to zoom in most apps.

Also, if you think that most content is not worth consuming, thus smaller screens are “good enough”, perhaps you are not part of the target market anyway. There are still feature phones out there for the minority who holds that sentiment.

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Post by BeefWellington »

cubefox wrote: post #439

Does anyone notice the irony of it being partly repairable, while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away? The repairability sounds nice, but it is very irrelevant compared to the limited software updates. Imagine buying a Windows laptop and only receiving three years of security updates. (I know, most other phones aren't better.) It would have been better…

Agreed, it would've been great to see a matching five year commitment to security updates.

However, you can run alternate Android versions and get security updates even longer, outside of security updates for component firmware.

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Post by BeefWellington »

usr1106 wrote: post #839
cubefox wrote: post #439

Does anyone notice the irony of it being partly repairable, while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away? The repairability sounds nice, but it is very irrelevant compared to the limited software updates. Imagine buying a Windows laptop and only receiving three years of security updates. (I know, most other phones aren't better.) It would have been better…

To make things worse the 3 years seem to be counted from the release of the phone, not from when you buy it. So if you buy it a year after it came out, you get only 2 years. I am so sick of the whole smartphone crap. Google monopoly (well, there is Apple, but it's worse), unhandy sizes, electronic waste years too early.

That's not exclusive to this Nokia; all manufacturers do the "from release" vs "from purchase" thing. This is one area I really wish more manufacturers would follow Apple's lead on.

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Post by [deleted] »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #566
devy wrote: post #516

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I don't see a 3-year security update as an irony. In fact, I see that as a great gesture for the budget price point android phone has a 3-year software warranty. Nokia probably have done research on this pricing segment to know that the averaging budget android device lifecycle is about 2.x years and guarantee a 3 year security update to make the device more worthy, comparing to other brands at this price point. By t…

> Apple iPhone as the gold standard only provide security updates up to 6-7 years Laughs in Microsoft How about 20 years?! I have a laptop built in 2006, it runs Windows 10 and will be supported untill 2025. It can also run software compiled in 1999! What platform can beat it, an IBM mainframe? Microsoft is the gold standard! Its a shame they never get credit for the one thing they do well.

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Post by scarface74 »

cassepipe wrote: post #794
peterlk wrote: post #391

And it comes with a 3mm headphone jack! Hallelujah!! I’m so, so glad someone is stepping up to fill this niche. My only complaint, and it’s kind if a big one, is that the screen is too damn big. I’m tired of phone manufacturers forcing me to carry a television in my pocket. I want something small that I can hold in one hand without a pop socket. I’ll trade performance, camera quality, basically anything for a phone w…

You can get a refurbished Samsung Galaxy S7 for under 99$: https://www.backmarket.com/en-us/l/samsung-galaxy-s7/d416373... And it will under guaranty for at least six months. The website guarantees a at least 70% of the orginal capable batteryu That's what I have. Has a jack, a physical home button and back button, a microSD slot. Don't know your expectations but the camera is better than the expensive camera I bough…

A used phone with 70% battery capacity and it only supports an Android version 5 years old from what I can tell.

The same generation iPhone - the 6S just got a security update a couple of weeks ago.

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Post by asimops »

peterlk wrote: post #391

And it comes with a 3mm headphone jack! Hallelujah!! I’m so, so glad someone is stepping up to fill this niche. My only complaint, and it’s kind if a big one, is that the screen is too damn big. I’m tired of phone manufacturers forcing me to carry a television in my pocket. I want something small that I can hold in one hand without a pop socket. I’ll trade performance, camera quality, basically anything for a phone w…

Have a look here: https://smallandroidphone.com/

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Post by scarface74 »

toastal wrote: post #759
astrange wrote: post #727

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Wired earbuds are obnoxious for phone use cases because the cables get tangled up and cause telephonics - that's when walking/running/touching the cable causes it to send unintended sound into your ears. For desktop use cases they have the problem that you have to take them off to get up.

Not saying there aren't use cases where it would be preferred, but you can still use truly wireless earbuds with a Bluetooth capable phone/laptop/desktop that has a 3.5mm headphone jack. You can't however jam a plug into a phone without a jack--the option has been removed. There was a time before the headphone jack was dropped that very few people had wireless earbuds or cared, and now that choice to switch was place…

USB c headphones are dime a dozen as are headphones with lightning adaptares.

But worrying about ewaste from headphones and then buying an Android phone with a piss poor history of long term operating system support is looking at the wrong place

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Post by scarface74 »

Eji1700 wrote: post #742
peterlk wrote: post #391

And it comes with a 3mm headphone jack! Hallelujah!! I’m so, so glad someone is stepping up to fill this niche. My only complaint, and it’s kind if a big one, is that the screen is too damn big. I’m tired of phone manufacturers forcing me to carry a television in my pocket. I want something small that I can hold in one hand without a pop socket. I’ll trade performance, camera quality, basically anything for a phone w…

I jumped from apple because at the time, all they had were $1000 giant phones. I jumped back because they released the SE, and my current motorolla was having quite a lot of issues, and I couldn't find anything smaller. I still have it, and don't plan on buying anything new until I can either 1. get an iphone mini with a usb C jack or 2. find a competitor that's similar sized. I'm so so sick of these massive phones.

There has never been a time that all Apple had was $1000 giant phones.

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

joshspankit wrote: post #818
_trackno5 wrote: post #816

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While I enjoy smaller phones, it makes no sense to have high end smaller phones. It doesn’t sell. Just look at Apple’s sales and their cancellation of the mini. I’d love it to be the opposite so I didn’t have to hold on to my iphone 12 mini, but it’s just how things are. Most people don’t like smaller phones and would be a waste of resources to make high end ones.

I buy them. I’d even suggest a deviation: make them a few mm thicker and fill the extra space with battery. I’d use a small powerful multi-day battery smartphone far more than anything else.

My own personal itch: a phone with an antenna setup allowing it to function as a hotspot just as well as an actual hotspot, combined with longer battery life. I'd actually be happy with a phone half-the thickness of my jetpack but that could replace my jetpack because its antenna setup was as good.

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Post by scarface74 »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #689
shepherdjerred wrote: post #642

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The original iPhone had 128MB of memory. The iPhone 6s (releasing in 2015, which is the oldest model currently receiving security updates) has 2GB of memory. The latest iPhone, the iPhone 14, has 6GB. It doesn't make sense for Apple to support devices that aren't even going to be able to run the apps that users want. Not many users are going to want to be using a 6-7 year old device when hardware is advancing and the…

There are tons of people who use their phones to make phone calls and send texts and read the occasional Wikipedia article. They don't need newer hardware. People who want to play video games on their phones will need newer phones, but even they benefit from being able to sell their old one to the people who don't need that instead of having to throw it away.

And those people couldn’t use anything older than 5 - the first to support LTE. Many networks wouldn’t even support that.
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