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Bovine meat and milk protein in tumor‐free mucosa of colorectal cancer patients

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Re: Bovine meat and milk protein in tumor‐free mucosa of colorectal cancer patients

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Post by bitL »

tptacek wrote: post #7

Does this square epidemiologically with beef consumption? The countries with the highest beef consumption are in South America (and it's sharply more beef consumption); the countries with the highest colon cancer rates are in central and northern Europe. It doesn't follow from a correlation that beef is by itself causative; it can be, for instance, beef plus some other X-factor. Somebody is going to point out that So…

Could there be a significant difference in soil composition between South America and Europe, leading to different health outcomes? If you travel through Europe and South America at similar +/- latitudes, the countryside is completely different. Similarly US vs Europe at the same latitude.

Re: Bovine meat and milk protein in tumor‐free mucosa of colorectal cancer patients

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Post by CodeWriter23 »

largbae wrote: post #8

So if I understand right, we know that those with colorectal cancer have suspiciously correlated proteins, which could be used for a better screen for this cancer. But do we know that consuming cow always causes this cancer? If not, what's next?

Yes, we know at this time that consuming cow does not always cause colorectal cancer.

Re: Bovine meat and milk protein in tumor‐free mucosa of colorectal cancer patients

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tptacek wrote: post #7

Does this square epidemiologically with beef consumption? The countries with the highest beef consumption are in South America (and it's sharply more beef consumption); the countries with the highest colon cancer rates are in central and northern Europe. It doesn't follow from a correlation that beef is by itself causative; it can be, for instance, beef plus some other X-factor. Somebody is going to point out that So…

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Re: Bovine meat and milk protein in tumor‐free mucosa of colorectal cancer patients

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Post by dawatchusay »

This is the WORST summary title of a post I’ve ever seen. The wording implies actually the opposite of the article; it implies to those without deep knowledge of the topic that bovine and milk proteins are associated with remission. The full title of the research states that those things interfere with patient survival. Instead, reading only the title first, I think “oh, tumor-free! Great!”

Re: Bovine meat and milk protein in tumor‐free mucosa of colorectal cancer patients

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Post by californiadreem »

azinman2 wrote: post #15
californiadreem wrote: post #14

I think a meaningful question to ask is what other foods are also packaged in plastic or plasticized-paper that require anoxic environments for food safety purposes? These will be raw animal products like seafood, poultry, cheese, or ready-to-eat cooked-in-plastic meals. We already have at least one study that points towards ultraprocessed food consumption as increasing the risk of specifically ovarian cancer by 30%.…

My guess is, assuming to genetic predisposition, colorectal cancer is far more tied to diet than plastic (which is likely non-region specific). Things like complex fiber, the right micro biome, etc.

"What makes the increase particularly mysterious is the fact that the overall incidence of colorectal cancer has dropped by 45% since the mid-1980s. While the cancer is still most frequently diagnosed in people over 55, the study found that patients younger than 55 were 58% more likely to be diagnosed with advanced disease."

If the cause were beef and milk consumption as such, it seems unlikely that a severe shift like this would occur. To me, it's far more likely to be something like crop dessication for grains--they started soaking cereal crops in glyphosate prior to harvest and suddenly this category of food that sustained the planet for millennia suddenly starts causing broad spectrum inflammation that people blame on the crop and not the processes and adjuncts.

I smell a Bayer, Nestlé, DuPont, J&J, Pfizer, Monsanto, etc-style hidden externality at work rather than animal husbandry. Like, what are the colorectal cancer rates for those people that actively practice transhumance? Do they differ significantly despite predominantly animal-product and dairy-based diets?

Re: Bovine meat and milk protein in tumor‐free mucosa of colorectal cancer patients

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Post by Stealthisbook »

bitL wrote: post #21
tptacek wrote: post #7

Does this square epidemiologically with beef consumption? The countries with the highest beef consumption are in South America (and it's sharply more beef consumption); the countries with the highest colon cancer rates are in central and northern Europe. It doesn't follow from a correlation that beef is by itself causative; it can be, for instance, beef plus some other X-factor. Somebody is going to point out that So…

Could there be a significant difference in soil composition between South America and Europe, leading to different health outcomes? If you travel through Europe and South America at similar +/- latitudes, the countryside is completely different. Similarly US vs Europe at the same latitude.

It would be helpful to look at import/export flows. I suspect that quite a large percentage of European beef consumption isn't locally sourced, with likely quite a bit coming from S. America.

Re: Bovine meat and milk protein in tumor‐free mucosa of colorectal cancer patients

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Post by davrosthedalek »

tptacek wrote: post #7

Does this square epidemiologically with beef consumption? The countries with the highest beef consumption are in South America (and it's sharply more beef consumption); the countries with the highest colon cancer rates are in central and northern Europe. It doesn't follow from a correlation that beef is by itself causative; it can be, for instance, beef plus some other X-factor. Somebody is going to point out that So…

Are these numbers corrected for testing bias?

Re: Bovine meat and milk protein in tumor‐free mucosa of colorectal cancer patients

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Post by azinman2 »

californiadreem wrote: post #26
azinman2 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess is, assuming to genetic predisposition, colorectal cancer is far more tied to diet than plastic (which is likely non-region specific). Things like complex fiber, the right micro biome, etc.

"What makes the increase particularly mysterious is the fact that the overall incidence of colorectal cancer has dropped by 45% since the mid-1980s. While the cancer is still most frequently diagnosed in people over 55, the study found that patients younger than 55 were 58% more likely to be diagnosed with advanced disease." If the cause were beef and milk consumption as such , it seems unlikely that a severe shift l…

Many things have happened since the 80s; obesity as also shot up. In general people eat out more, eat fast food, and more simple carbohydrates. I think it would be hard to pin this one on any particular one thing. I

It’s also possible it isn’t one thing, but a confluence of factors.

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