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Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by einpoklum »

roryisok wrote: post #740
einpoklum wrote: post #730

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Quite possibly - like hundreds of Millions of other people who use older phones.

This is the reason. All those people who need to be on the absolute bleeding edge, sell perfectly good phones for a quarter of what they cost new, to people like me. Everyone I know buys new phones for anywhere up to 800 for the latest Samsungs (and don't even get me started on the Apple stuff) and I just can't fathom it. It's like buying a brand new car and then selling it three years later to buy another brand new…

> Maybe I'm just a penny pinching old man

Well, most used phones are sold rather than destroyed, and get well past their last update. So maybe a quarter the phone-time in the world is post-end-of-update. Plus, many manufacturers offer brand-new phones which cost under 100 USD (look for Doogee X95 for example - 80 bucks or so).

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by thanksgiving »

motiejus wrote: post #811
foepys wrote: post #777

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Your filter includes only eSIM but if you also include nanoSIM, you get 183 instead of only 5 results which is quite a lot. More than I expected.

I need the eSim. :) Obviously removing the filter yields more.

Thank you for sharing. You convinced me to create my own list, which is also slim pickings

https://gsmarena.com/results.php3?chk35mm=selected&chkAccele...

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Post by bioemerl »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #566
devy wrote: post #516

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I don't see a 3-year security update as an irony. In fact, I see that as a great gesture for the budget price point android phone has a 3-year software warranty. Nokia probably have done research on this pricing segment to know that the averaging budget android device lifecycle is about 2.x years and guarantee a 3 year security update to make the device more worthy, comparing to other brands at this price point. By t…

> Apple iPhone as the gold standard only provide security updates up to 6-7 years Laughs in Microsoft How about 20 years?! I have a laptop built in 2006, it runs Windows 10 and will be supported untill 2025. It can also run software compiled in 1999! What platform can beat it, an IBM mainframe? Microsoft is the gold standard! Its a shame they never get credit for the one thing they do well.

Don't credit Microsoft for this, credit the fact that the PC is an open platform based on its legacy as an IBM PC clone.

We need a good standardized phone and bootloader system so that software comes back into the control of users on cell phones.

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Post by danuker »

einpoklum wrote: post #735
enraged_camel wrote: post #714

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>> Can't update my phone within 1 microsecond of a patch being released? I guess I might as well just die. Much safer than risking the Malware can indeed be worse than hell. Have you ever had your bank account hacked? Or your email account broken into? Or your identity stolen and had to deal with dozens of credit cards being registered and then hit the limit under your name? I’ve had friends (and family) deal with su…

> Malware can indeed be worse than hell. Have you ever had your bank account hacked? Or your email account broken into? Or your identity stolen and had to deal with dozens of credit cards being registered and then hit the limit under your name? To be honest - as an older-phone user, that's part of why I never access email on my phone, nor my bank account. I see my phone as something that's basically insecure, and tak…

Count me in the same bucket. But this is informed risk analysis, something a typical non-techie could not or would not have time to do.

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Post by dan-0 »

dataflow wrote: post #848
Sammi wrote: post #826

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Tell your management that usage of v6.0 is as good as gone, and you are wasting resources in doing any work to keep support for it: https://gs.statcounter.com/android-version-market-share/mobi... I you look at that data then you can see that the oldest version with any significant usage is v8.1. But even that is quite low, and you might do quite well in not supporting anything older than v9.0.

> Tell your management that usage of v6.0 is as good as gone, and you are wasting resources in doing any work to keep support for it How do you say this without any knowledge whatsoever about the type of app they work on, or their target audience? v6.0 alone is almost 2% of users based on that chart. In fact if you include everything before v8.1, you seem to get something like 8% of users. What if their app, say, pro…

Exactly this. Even if your demographic is the same as the chart, dropping 2% of users can be the difference between profit and destruction. Maybe it's margins that you'll save but keeping those users, possibly bad reviews, maybe market share over a competitor, there's plenty of reasons supporting older versions is not a definitive "waste."

Is it a pain to support old SDKs? Yep. But that doesn't make it inherently a waste of time to do so.

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Post by jabl »

I see it has only 4G RAM. Is that really considered sufficient these days? I have a phone with 3 GB, and it's pretty annoying how often it kills apps when switching between them. E.g. switching from Firefox to my password manager or to some 2FA app, and when I jump back into Firefox it has been killed, and reloads the page and then the authentication starts from scratch.

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Post by krelian »

Sammi wrote: post #826
grishka wrote: post #704

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I build Android apps for a living. Let me tell you, the majority of users are on "outdated" OS versions. You have to support 5-7 years of Android releases to cover a substantial part of the Android user base. The app I'm currently working on requires a minimum version of 6.0 — this came out in 2015. I still test my apps on a Nexus 5. Many people would buy a phone that will never receive a single update. The software…

Tell your management that usage of v6.0 is as good as gone, and you are wasting resources in doing any work to keep support for it: https://gs.statcounter.com/android-version-market-share/mobi... I you look at that data then you can see that the oldest version with any significant usage is v8.1. But even that is quite low, and you might do quite well in not supporting anything older than v9.0.

What is the demographic of people who visit sites that have statscounter tacked on? It doesn't feel like it's representative at all.

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Post by unosama »

dataflow wrote: post #685
cubefox wrote: post #439

Does anyone notice the irony of it being partly repairable, while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away? The repairability sounds nice, but it is very irrelevant compared to the limited software updates. Imagine buying a Windows laptop and only receiving three years of security updates. (I know, most other phones aren't better.) It would have been better…

> while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away Nope, you don't. It's just that somehow techies seem to have gotten this meme into their heads that an unpatched life isn't worth living. Can't update my phone within 1 microsecond of a patch being released? I guess I might as well just die. Much safer than risking the > The repairability sounds nice, but it…

> It's just that somehow techies seem to have gotten this meme into their heads that an unpatched life isn't worth living.

This collective delusion is the main justification for SaaS which is what the tech industry in current year is dependent on .

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Post by open1414 »

heavyset_go wrote: post #499
open1414 wrote: post #486

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Android manufacturers pick a LTS kernel when developing their phone. By the time it is on the market, that kernel version only has 3-4 years left of security updates. Custom roms never upgrade the kernel so you are still vulnerable to bugs that were never backported to your kernel

Depends on the manufacturer, there are plenty of phones with community updated kernels. Some manufacturers choose to implement hardware support by poorly forking the Linux kernel in ways that make porting those changes to recent kernels hard.

Can you provide a phone with an updated kernel? I have yet to see one on XDA and am really curious
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