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Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by bitwize »

eviks wrote: post #745
bitwize wrote: post #515

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> Do y’all not long for a future where you can get off the upgrade treadmill because the developer facing API is fixed? Not backwards compatible because that implies you ought to be moving to the next, like once it works you can call it done. No. We want modern APIs that prioritize modern concerns, usable with modern toolkits and frameworks and taking advantage of modern programming principles. Even if we had an API…

But you forgot to mention how this requires ignoring the old devices. Can X11 replacement not work on old hardware? What critical improvement in POSIX would mandate the same?

> Can X11 replacement not work on old hardware?

Most Wayland compositors pretty much assume you have a GPU. Weston can be gotten to work -- slowly -- without one.

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Post by kungito »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #640
steve_adams_86 wrote: post #615

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I absolutely love my watch and mostly stopped using my phone since getting it, but it’s mind blowing that such an expensive and capable device is forced to piggy back off of a phone. Why can’t my watch be supported by MacOS rather than iOS? I mean, I know why, but it’s crazy. As soon as I find a high quality standalone watch I’ll start to seriously consider not having a phone at all. Or perhaps just not an expensive…

what do you still need the phone for since they added standalone capabilities?

The battery life is horrible if you try to use it a bit more often like you would a phone

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Post by sofixa »

cptskippy wrote: post #662
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I laughed out loud when the Ryzen 7 1700X (8c/16t @ 3.4GHz) in my main desktop didn't meet the minimum system requirements. It's just 5 years old now, and I have a funny feeling it'll be more than powerful enough for a while yet.

I was in the same boat with the base 1700. It likely just needs a TPM module. My ASRock Fatality (sp) motherboard had a port for a module. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/where-to-buy-tpm-2.0-for-w... Win11's line in the sand requirements aren't nearly as "bad" as Vista/XP/ME in terms of disruption. Honestly I wish they'd gone a step further and required ECC support.

> Honestly I wish they'd gone a step further and required ECC support.

That's a non-starter because Intel upsell ECC as an "enterprise"/"prosumer" feature and regular, non-high-end/workstation/server processors don't support ECC. Sadly Intel is still the CPU market leader, so that would have meant Win11 not being able to run on most existing hardware at launch.

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Post by foepys »

nehal3m wrote: post #724
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I will never buy a high end Android phone for three reasons: - no headphone jack - no SD card slot - all come with ad-ware and un-uninstallable third-party apps like Facebook (except for Google Pixels, which don't satisfy the first two criteria) Mid range is where it's at. Why pay $200 more for 256 instead of 128 GB when I can put in my 1,000 GB mircoSD card? It's a shame that Fairphone went with the no SD card trend…

I have a FairPhone 4 with a card slot? No jack though.

It does? Maybe I misread the specs a few months ago, sorry. But as you said it doesn't have a jack.

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Post by eviks »

bitwize wrote: post #771
eviks wrote: post #745

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But you forgot to mention how this requires ignoring the old devices. Can X11 replacement not work on old hardware? What critical improvement in POSIX would mandate the same?

> Can X11 replacement not work on old hardware? Most Wayland compositors pretty much assume you have a GPU. Weston can be gotten to work -- slowly -- without one.

Unless that's slowly=unusable that's not a good example (would also help if this poor support was a result of some "modern programming principles"). Otherwise that's way too early to retire in Japan

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Post by cleanchit »

netsharc wrote: post #549
firecall wrote: post #539

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Can you install your own Android versions? How does it work Android in this regard? I guess it’s not like Windows where if my hardware is supported I can install the latest supported version? I suppose it’s somewhat interesting in the industry difference between supporting hardware with updates as if it’s firmware, and supporting software with updates like an OS. (Not advocating for windows for anything at all BTW)

Homebrew ROMs often don't have Google's holywater blessing of being certified, so some things like banking apps might not run on them. So, say your phone has old Android version x. You're fine until a security hole shows up, or your banking app says "Our app needs Android version x+1. Please update your phone.". Oops, not offered by phone. Install a custom ROM. Banking app says "This device is not certified and for y…

What APIs do the banking apps use to verify the holy water blessing?

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Post by foepys »

motiejus wrote: post #765
foepys wrote: post #718

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I will never buy a high end Android phone for three reasons: - no headphone jack - no SD card slot - all come with ad-ware and un-uninstallable third-party apps like Facebook (except for Google Pixels, which don't satisfy the first two criteria) Mid range is where it's at. Why pay $200 more for 256 instead of 128 GB when I can put in my 1,000 GB mircoSD card? It's a shame that Fairphone went with the no SD card trend…

Google removed jack from Pixel, and I went shopping for an alternative when my last pixel broke down. Here is my filter: https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?chk35mm=selected&sSIMT... Ip68 is important. I went with xperia 10, and am positively surprised. Fits all the checkboxes and less undesired software than google. I don't have the mandatory search bar in the front screen!

Your filter includes only eSIM but if you also include nanoSIM, you get 183 instead of only 5 results which is quite a lot. More than I expected.

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Post by mrweasel »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #566
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I don't see a 3-year security update as an irony. In fact, I see that as a great gesture for the budget price point android phone has a 3-year software warranty. Nokia probably have done research on this pricing segment to know that the averaging budget android device lifecycle is about 2.x years and guarantee a 3 year security update to make the device more worthy, comparing to other brands at this price point. By t…

> Apple iPhone as the gold standard only provide security updates up to 6-7 years Laughs in Microsoft How about 20 years?! I have a laptop built in 2006, it runs Windows 10 and will be supported untill 2025. It can also run software compiled in 1999! What platform can beat it, an IBM mainframe? Microsoft is the gold standard! Its a shame they never get credit for the one thing they do well.

If you where to start a new software project in the mid-90s and had the benefit of hindsight, there is no argument for not starting on Windows NT. Looking back the "correct" career choice would be a C++ developer on the Windows NT platform, you could build a lifetime career on Windows (unless it fails in the next 10 - 15 years, which I doubt).

Sure we have abandon-ware that requires a Windows 95 desktop or a Windows 2000 installation, but bringing a piece of actively developed Windows software forward through the version in the past 25+ years has been relatively easy.

I picked Linux/Unix and languages like Python 20 years ago, so it's a little late for me, but if I could go back in time, I'm not sure that Windows and C++ wouldn't have been an equally good choice.

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Post by cleanchit »

HybridCurve wrote: post #623
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Is that risky have an unsupported Android version? My Nexus 5 still working ok, some problems started when apps started to drop support of the Android version, and that happens several years before it stopped receiving OS updates. Don't want to downplay that will be great that OS updates should be longer that the current standard, but sometimes tech minded people here in HN thinks that a day after stopped receiving u…

When the security updates stop, the phone should be wiped of personal data and isolated from both cellular and wireless networks. There should be no compromise on this, a phone has access to far too much personal information and local wifi networks to ever consider using it beyond is support lifetime. Additionally, we should all be more diligent ensuring our personal devices install security updates as soon as they a…

Every single one of the thousands of packages you install with `npm i` has acces to your `~/.ssh`.

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Post by vagrantJin »

cubefox wrote: post #439

Does anyone notice the irony of it being partly repairable, while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away? The repairability sounds nice, but it is very irrelevant compared to the limited software updates. Imagine buying a Windows laptop and only receiving three years of security updates. (I know, most other phones aren't better.) It would have been better…

> very irrelevant compared to the limited software updates

That's the funny thing. Security? I don't want updates and my phone is over 6 years old.

But the app developers usually threatens and holds my data ransom until I update. Some have the audacity to update upon any internet connection in direct contravention of my "no background data usage" policy on any connection.

Funny that.

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