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Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by t43562 »

hattmall wrote: post #665
josephg wrote: post #607

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I started programming in the 90s. The other day I found some of the first programs I ever wrote (in qbasic), and ran them in qbasic 4.5 on dosbox on my Mac laptop. I was running an arm laptop, emulating a modern x86_64 chip, emulating an old i386 chip, interpreting a qbasic program unmodified from 30 years ago. Sound, graphics modes, input events - all of it worked perfectly. I didn’t try running it on windows, but I…

Phone software is basically a joke anyway. Is it not possible to emulate phones in the same manner?

The point of fixing security holes is sometimes to make it not possible to do certain things which applications may have been written to "expect". There's a bit of not being able to have your cake and eat it.

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Post by bionade24 »

shams93 wrote: post #611
cubefox wrote: post #439

Does anyone notice the irony of it being partly repairable, while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away? The repairability sounds nice, but it is very irrelevant compared to the limited software updates. Imagine buying a Windows laptop and only receiving three years of security updates. (I know, most other phones aren't better.) It would have been better…

Yeah this is why linux phones would be great, we have manjaro with rolling updates, a fully upgradable linux phone would go a really long way in getting control over the ewaste issues.

The Jolla phone got 7 years of updates before being sorted out. You can buy plenty of "real Linux" phones just now and also LineageOS preinstalled phones which will probably be supported for a very long time.

https://blog.jolla.com/jolla7/

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Post by commandersaki »

einpoklum wrote: post #735
enraged_camel wrote: post #714

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>> Can't update my phone within 1 microsecond of a patch being released? I guess I might as well just die. Much safer than risking the Malware can indeed be worse than hell. Have you ever had your bank account hacked? Or your email account broken into? Or your identity stolen and had to deal with dozens of credit cards being registered and then hit the limit under your name? I’ve had friends (and family) deal with su…

> Malware can indeed be worse than hell. Have you ever had your bank account hacked? Or your email account broken into? Or your identity stolen and had to deal with dozens of credit cards being registered and then hit the limit under your name? To be honest - as an older-phone user, that's part of why I never access email on my phone, nor my bank account. I see my phone as something that's basically insecure, and tak…

Your phone (Android or iOS) is probably more secure than your desktop when it comes to accessing bank or email. It's more hardened and locked down.

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Post by motiejus »

foepys wrote: post #718
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Plenty of jacks if you know where to look. Midrange phones like the Moto G line still have them.

I will never buy a high end Android phone for three reasons: - no headphone jack - no SD card slot - all come with ad-ware and un-uninstallable third-party apps like Facebook (except for Google Pixels, which don't satisfy the first two criteria) Mid range is where it's at. Why pay $200 more for 256 instead of 128 GB when I can put in my 1,000 GB mircoSD card? It's a shame that Fairphone went with the no SD card trend…

Google removed jack from Pixel, and I went shopping for an alternative when my last pixel broke down. Here is my filter:

https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?chk35mm=selected&sSIMT...

Ip68 is important. I went with xperia 10, and am positively surprised. Fits all the checkboxes and less undesired software than google. I don't have the mandatory search bar in the front screen!

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Post by scns »

lolinder wrote: post #597
atleta wrote: post #573

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That's a fair point, but indeed a lot of people will kill their phone in less than 3 years. Either breaking the screen (which, IIUC, will be also replaceable/self servicable) or killing the battery. Most sources say that the battery will keep an acceptable capacity for around 500 cycles, i.e. 1.5 years if fully charged daily. (Now I don't know, because I'm very cautious not to fully charge and to discharge below 25-3…

> Most sources say that the battery will keep an acceptable capacity for around 500 cycles, i.e. 1.5 years if fully charged daily. This is what I see online, but this hasn't been my experience for any of my devices. My current phone is on year 5 with the same battery, and it's still very decent. I charge it every day to 100% and often plug it back in while it's still at 50%, so it's not like I'm being more careful th…

There was a site posted here on HN that was something like: "All you wanted to know about batteries" or something like that. About Li-Ion they wrote, that they age faster if the charge falls under 20% (don't remember why) or gets charged over 80% (more voltage needed to push electrons in, battery heats up). GigaSet limits the charging to 90%. I use BatteryBot Pro from F-Droid (installed via Foxy Droid) to ring an alarm at 30%, 75% and 80%. [add] Depleting them completely is very bad for them.

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Post by t43562 »

ryandrake wrote: post #593
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #566

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> Apple iPhone as the gold standard only provide security updates up to 6-7 years Laughs in Microsoft How about 20 years?! I have a laptop built in 2006, it runs Windows 10 and will be supported untill 2025. It can also run software compiled in 1999! What platform can beat it, an IBM mainframe? Microsoft is the gold standard! Its a shame they never get credit for the one thing they do well.

You are absolutely right and it is shameful what consumers simply accept for software support periods! I try to buy things that I hope/expect to work for 10, maybe 20 years. Appliances, cars, tvs, and electronics including phones. Yet software support for all these things lasts a mere 3-5 years if that. I have an iPad1 original that still works great! But software support ended a year after I bought it—over a decade…

The companies just do what people want - new phones, more capabilities. People will pay up for new physical gadget but not support, so the money is only coming from making new models. The number of old models gets bigger all the time but the number of people updating the software cannot because they have to be paid for by the sales of the new models.

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Post by scns »

atleta wrote: post #573
cubefox wrote: post #439

Does anyone notice the irony of it being partly repairable, while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away? The repairability sounds nice, but it is very irrelevant compared to the limited software updates. Imagine buying a Windows laptop and only receiving three years of security updates. (I know, most other phones aren't better.) It would have been better…

That's a fair point, but indeed a lot of people will kill their phone in less than 3 years. Either breaking the screen (which, IIUC, will be also replaceable/self servicable) or killing the battery. Most sources say that the battery will keep an acceptable capacity for around 500 cycles, i.e. 1.5 years if fully charged daily. (Now I don't know, because I'm very cautious not to fully charge and to discharge below 25-3…

Tuxedo offers smart charging in BIOS too. The lowest treshold i can set in my older model is only 40% but still nice.

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Post by scns »

jorvi wrote: post #688
screamingninja wrote: post #664

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> Speaking about batteries, what would be nice if they added a setting that allows defining charging limits Like Samsung Battery Protection? It limits charging to 85%. I would personally have used the 80% threshold, but after 2+ years of heavy use, the battery has held up quite well on this Note 20.

I wish you could set both a lower and upper limit. Never let it discharge below 10% or above 90%.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34944079

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Post by scns »

jimnotgym wrote: post #542
lolinder wrote: post #445

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Yes, I came here to say this. Swapping out the battery is a great improvement only if the device's lifetime is longer than the battery's, and my batteries tend to last more than three years. (Writing this on my 5 year old phone that still has the original battery.)

I think this varies a lot, especially for heavy commercial users who talk on their phone a lot. Only last week my sister was complaining that iphones need charging twice a day after 2 years. It doesn't affect me with my current phone, but I am a light user.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34944079
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