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Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by devy »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #566
devy wrote: post #516

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I don't see a 3-year security update as an irony. In fact, I see that as a great gesture for the budget price point android phone has a 3-year software warranty. Nokia probably have done research on this pricing segment to know that the averaging budget android device lifecycle is about 2.x years and guarantee a 3 year security update to make the device more worthy, comparing to other brands at this price point. By t…

> Apple iPhone as the gold standard only provide security updates up to 6-7 years Laughs in Microsoft How about 20 years?! I have a laptop built in 2006, it runs Windows 10 and will be supported untill 2025. It can also run software compiled in 1999! What platform can beat it, an IBM mainframe? Microsoft is the gold standard! Its a shame they never get credit for the one thing they do well.

I am talking about mobile phones. Unfortunately Microsoft exited Windows phone business. So what are you talking about gold standard?

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Post by cptskippy »

doubled112 wrote: post #618
Dylan16807 wrote: post #587

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Well a lot of people are looking at Windows 11, which launched in 2021 and required a ~2018 CPU. Especially when Intel's 8th generation chips were barely different from the ones going back years. Chips close to that cutoff are going to have awful support lifetimes from microsoft if you can't get updates past 2025.

I laughed out loud when the Ryzen 7 1700X (8c/16t @ 3.4GHz) in my main desktop didn't meet the minimum system requirements. It's just 5 years old now, and I have a funny feeling it'll be more than powerful enough for a while yet.

I was in the same boat with the base 1700. It likely just needs a TPM module. My ASRock Fatality (sp) motherboard had a port for a module.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/where-to-buy-tpm-2.0-for-w...

Win11's line in the sand requirements aren't nearly as "bad" as Vista/XP/ME in terms of disruption. Honestly I wish they'd gone a step further and required ECC support.

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Post by hezag »

45453836 wrote: post #636
cubefox wrote: post #439

Does anyone notice the irony of it being partly repairable, while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away? The repairability sounds nice, but it is very irrelevant compared to the limited software updates. Imagine buying a Windows laptop and only receiving three years of security updates. (I know, most other phones aren't better.) It would have been better…

To be fair the mobile device iteration of the repairability movement has always been laden with irony. It's a user empowerment movement solving a problem users didn't care about or want to deal with, championed mainly by middle and upper income individuals in tandem with politicians looking for easy karma (bonus points if they're European because it makes them look tough against the big corporate Americans plus Samsu…

> all under the guise of helping users who want to save money (poor people) even though this category lacks the skills and the interest to repair their devices anyway outside of a rare few exceptions

This is simply not true. At least in my country, poor people generally have interest and the skills to repair their devices (or to pay someone to do so, as it's cheaper than buying a new one)

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Post by screamingninja »

atleta wrote: post #573
cubefox wrote: post #439

Does anyone notice the irony of it being partly repairable, while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away? The repairability sounds nice, but it is very irrelevant compared to the limited software updates. Imagine buying a Windows laptop and only receiving three years of security updates. (I know, most other phones aren't better.) It would have been better…

That's a fair point, but indeed a lot of people will kill their phone in less than 3 years. Either breaking the screen (which, IIUC, will be also replaceable/self servicable) or killing the battery. Most sources say that the battery will keep an acceptable capacity for around 500 cycles, i.e. 1.5 years if fully charged daily. (Now I don't know, because I'm very cautious not to fully charge and to discharge below 25-3…

> Speaking about batteries, what would be nice if they added a setting that allows defining charging limits

Like Samsung Battery Protection? It limits charging to 85%. I would personally have used the 80% threshold, but after 2+ years of heavy use, the battery has held up quite well on this Note 20.

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Post by hattmall »

josephg wrote: post #607
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #566

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> Apple iPhone as the gold standard only provide security updates up to 6-7 years Laughs in Microsoft How about 20 years?! I have a laptop built in 2006, it runs Windows 10 and will be supported untill 2025. It can also run software compiled in 1999! What platform can beat it, an IBM mainframe? Microsoft is the gold standard! Its a shame they never get credit for the one thing they do well.

I started programming in the 90s. The other day I found some of the first programs I ever wrote (in qbasic), and ran them in qbasic 4.5 on dosbox on my Mac laptop. I was running an arm laptop, emulating a modern x86_64 chip, emulating an old i386 chip, interpreting a qbasic program unmodified from 30 years ago. Sound, graphics modes, input events - all of it worked perfectly. I didn’t try running it on windows, but I…

Phone software is basically a joke anyway.

Is it not possible to emulate phones in the same manner?

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Post by cptskippy »

Pxtl wrote: post #653
doubled112 wrote: post #618

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I laughed out loud when the Ryzen 7 1700X (8c/16t @ 3.4GHz) in my main desktop didn't meet the minimum system requirements. It's just 5 years old now, and I have a funny feeling it'll be more than powerful enough for a while yet.

I have a similarly new PC and found there were BIOS settings needed to allow it to get windows 11 -- some security stuff that wasn't turned on by default. Of course, then I looked into what windows 11 provided and decided I'd wait a bit either way.

I initially upgraded a Ryzen 7 1700 system with the hold TPM module, then got an incredible deal on a 5700X. I was surprised how much I had to fiddle in the BIOS with a year old motherboard to get things like Secure Boot and memory isolation working.

It was something like 5 or 6 BIOS expeditions before I had all the right features enabled.

Windows 11 is meh... They fixed some of my issues with 10 and created new ones. I wouldn't rush anyone to adopt it, it's a Vista/XP/ME style release. I'm expecting Windows 12 to be the keeper.

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Post by toastal »

kuschku wrote: post #357
riku_iki wrote: post #295

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> The real next innovation for an Android device maker will be providing at least 5 years of updates pixels starting with pixel 6 have 5 years of updates.

And require me to throw away headphones that have worked fine for decades. Even this nokia phone has a 3.5mm port, why doesn't Google support it anymore?

Why they don't support heodphones? Because Google needs to sell matching Pixel buds that can't be repaired due to size and operate on flaky Bluetooth connections with questionable sound quality.

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Post by toastal »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #122
Moldoteck wrote: post #77

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What do you think about fairphone 4? According to web, it supports: Fairphone OS CalyxOS DivestOS /e/OS (Murena) iodéOS LeOS LineageOS postmarketOS Ubuntu Touch

Fairphone isn’t and probably won’t be available in North America, sadly.

They also dropped the headphone jack on v4 like other flagship phones.

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Post by toastal »

crazygringo wrote: post #530
dsego wrote: post #271

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> Waterproofing is the main reason. Samsung Galaxy S5

It's definitely not something I would trust. Just watch yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1MDGQzNMYI It's a thin, twisty rubber gasket held in place by a flimsy plastic back. And in my experience with anything involving thin rubber gaskets, they degrade and just flat-out break incredibly easily. E.g. with wristwatches, it's common knowledge that as soon as you replace the battery in a water-resistant watch,…

That's how my Pebble watch died. It's a shame since it was a hackable device with good battery, but I misjudged resealing the device.
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