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Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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I laughed out loud when the Ryzen 7 1700X (8c/16t @ 3.4GHz) in my main desktop didn't meet the minimum system requirements. It's just 5 years old now, and I have a funny feeling it'll be more than powerful enough for a while yet.

They’re ways to get around the restrictions though I don’t know why you’d want to. Windows 11 is a virus

Windows is too much of a resource hog to be a virus.

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Does anyone notice the irony of it being partly repairable, while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away? The repairability sounds nice, but it is very irrelevant compared to the limited software updates. Imagine buying a Windows laptop and only receiving three years of security updates. (I know, most other phones aren't better.) It would have been better…

I don't see a 3-year security update as an irony. In fact, I see that as a great gesture for the budget price point android phone has a 3-year software warranty. Nokia probably have done research on this pricing segment to know that the averaging budget android device lifecycle is about 2.x years and guarantee a 3 year security update to make the device more worthy, comparing to other brands at this price point. By t…

The problem with that "3 years of update" promise is afaik it only counts if you buy it on launch day. One would expect that kind of guarantee to start on the last day they sell the device, not the first one.

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Well a lot of people are looking at Windows 11, which launched in 2021 and required a ~2018 CPU. Especially when Intel's 8th generation chips were barely different from the ones going back years. Chips close to that cutoff are going to have awful support lifetimes from microsoft if you can't get updates past 2025.

I laughed out loud when the Ryzen 7 1700X (8c/16t @ 3.4GHz) in my main desktop didn't meet the minimum system requirements. It's just 5 years old now, and I have a funny feeling it'll be more than powerful enough for a while yet.

I have a similarly new PC and found there were BIOS settings needed to allow it to get windows 11 -- some security stuff that wasn't turned on by default.

Of course, then I looked into what windows 11 provided and decided I'd wait a bit either way.

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And they hated him because he spoke the truth. Phones being disposable is something we just accepted. A POTS phone bought in the 1890’s would work without modification until the 1990’s and still will work today with an adapter. Why? Because we didn’t have continuous protocol churn. If it was invented today in 2 years there would POTS/2, KETTLE, and a draft spec for POTS2.1 written on a used napkin but somehow already…

> Do y’all not long for a future where you can get off the upgrade treadmill because the developer facing API is fixed? Not backwards compatible because that implies you ought to be moving to the next, like once it works you can call it done. No. We want modern APIs that prioritize modern concerns, usable with modern toolkits and frameworks and taking advantage of modern programming principles. Even if we had an API…

> POSIX, C, X11

There's such a thing as lasting too long without deprecating old cruft.

POSIX isn't too bad, but is still kind of a mess. C has a lot of broken features. X11 doesn't fit how hardware works these days and trying to force it with extensions isn't a good fix.

There are real problems with faddishness on the scale of 5-10 years, but there are also real improvements that happen across decades, and if 40 year old tools don't get updated then they should be replaced.

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I don't see a 3-year security update as an irony. In fact, I see that as a great gesture for the budget price point android phone has a 3-year software warranty. Nokia probably have done research on this pricing segment to know that the averaging budget android device lifecycle is about 2.x years and guarantee a 3 year security update to make the device more worthy, comparing to other brands at this price point. By t…

You're mistaken; the iPhone 5s--10 years old come Autumn--received a security update on January 23rd (iOS 12.5.7). As the first 64-bit phone and the first phone with a proper Secure Enclave (TPM+biometric auth) it's received a lot of love from Apple.

My father in his 70s has stuck with one of these old phones. I keep on expecting them to end security updates - no go. The idea that apple makes unrepairable throwaway phones makes me laugh. Easier to resell and easy to get fixed (I use applecare with no complaints)

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> justification An odd term in this context. No-one has to 'justify' not selling their stuff to Americans.

They do if they're a normal corporation selling an easy-to-ship product in mass quantities.

Why? Do you suggest the US has intrinsic rights to the goods of other nations?

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And it comes with a 3mm headphone jack! Hallelujah!! I’m so, so glad someone is stepping up to fill this niche. My only complaint, and it’s kind if a big one, is that the screen is too damn big. I’m tired of phone manufacturers forcing me to carry a television in my pocket. I want something small that I can hold in one hand without a pop socket. I’ll trade performance, camera quality, basically anything for a phone w…

Headphone jack and OLED display are my only two musts on a new smart phone. Wireless earbuds are scam solution by the problem created by removing the jack. But I really can't go back to IPS on any display in my life where the experience and color matter.

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The irony is that repairable devices are implied to be maintainable as well, e.g. you can generally keep them in good working order as long as you please. Reasonable or not, a security update sunset contradicts this possibility.

Repairable phone implies level of technical competency. You're not the target audience. Target audience will have no problem installing alternative ROM

Is that really the market they are going for? I’ve dissected, rooted, etc but that hardly seems like a business play or a market of any significant size.

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Is that risky have an unsupported Android version? My Nexus 5 still working ok, some problems started when apps started to drop support of the Android version, and that happens several years before it stopped receiving OS updates. Don't want to downplay that will be great that OS updates should be longer that the current standard, but sometimes tech minded people here in HN thinks that a day after stopped receiving u…

When the security updates stop, the phone should be wiped of personal data and isolated from both cellular and wireless networks. There should be no compromise on this, a phone has access to far too much personal information and local wifi networks to ever consider using it beyond is support lifetime. Additionally, we should all be more diligent ensuring our personal devices install security updates as soon as they a…

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In practice I've been cycling phones about every two years. I just checked and all resources I've seen puts the typical lifespan around this. I don't know what the distribution looks like though. I bet the distribution curves change if you bucket the pricing points. 3 years is ok. After you buy it, they've made 100% of the money they're going to make in the transaction. They need money to come in to support such an e…

Yes it's normal, but it's incredibly wasteful. There's no reason outside of software updates why a 3-year-old phone can't continue to be used—mine is now 5 years old and works fine, and I only upgraded from my now 7-year-old phone because my brother had one that he thought he'd bricked that I resurrected. Neither phone is fast, but they're perfectly serviceable. What I don't understand is why these updates aren't a s…

Probably greed.

Google sunsetting my Chromebox and Chromebook models has ensured I will never buy hardware from them again.

By not updating Chrome past a certain expiration date they make them worthless doorstops that suddenly can’t even stream from sites like HBO Max because the version number isn’t high enough.

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