Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone • Hacker News Board

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by cesarb » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 10:28 PM UTC

rglullis wrote: post #246

happymellon wrote: post #217

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Didn't the US decide to use different frequencies to everyone else?

Plenty of models that can work with all frequencies, so I am not sure if that's enough of a justification. Anyway, your point reminds me that the my "dream smartphone" would be one with no cellular connectivity at all. I'm still waiting for some company to start producing a keychain-sized 4G (or 5G) hotspot with an eSIM, which (I hope) would lead to more people asking for the return of the iPod Touch and for somethin…

> Anyway, your point reminds me that the my "dream smartphone" would be one with no cellular connectivity at all.

You mean a PDA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_digital_assistant)? Modern smartphones are basically a PDA with cellular connectivity (this is more obvious with early smartphones like the Treo 650), so if you take out the cellular connectivity, what you have is once again a PDA.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by smoldesu » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 10:29 PM UTC

Klonoar wrote: post #289

dartharva wrote: post #283

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The iPhone does not set any bar for budget phones. Irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant. :) Buying a "budget" phone that has no guarantee of long term parts availability, OS upgrades, etc is certainly worth comparing to Apple's lowest cost devices factored out over the sheer number of years they offer support/service for. I appreciate the aspect of right-to-repair on this device and I'm not saying the device shouldn't exist, but it's the height of absurdity to think it wouldn't get c…

That's one way of looking at it.

On the other side of the coin, all Apple devices have an expiry date. Many Android phones unlock their bootloader and enable community support after the vendor has thrown in the towel. Nothing similar exists on iOS, and it's a damn shame - it forces Apple to depreciate usable hardware. In a world where reuse and reduction is preferable to recycling, Apple should stop pretending like it's free recycling program is a replacement for serviceable design and open hardware. Until Apple stops being a necessary step of the recycling process, recycling iPhones is no easier than disposing of Asbestos.

People (rightfully) get pissed when others shit on camera-shy companies like Nokia or Dell trying something repair-friendly. You're like the person who's saying that nobody should buy the Raspberry Pi because your 1u rackmount has better performance-per-dollar. You're not wrong, but it's an apples-to-oranges product comparison.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by rektide » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 10:30 PM UTC

jrm4 wrote: post #336

rektide wrote: post #333

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Right to repair, but the software is uttely unmaintainable & actively rotting. This is cool, but it shows how bad the Android world is. The hardware is only half the picture. Iphone just happens to be the obvious comparison.

Seriously, what is meant by this? I'm asking as someone who way back when had a nokia n900, did some android rooting, then when that got unrewarding essentially switched to "whatever is second cheapest at Best Buy at the time" and have had zero major problems doing pretty much all the regular life things (and this includes e.g. Pokemon Go with the kids?)

Few phones even support rooting anymore. Most phones never ever get a new kernel, & most kernels are incredibly difficult vendor-provided messes whose source is basically useless, utterly incompatible with upstream Linux & unable to be applied at all to newer kernel versions. Maybe maybe maybe the new Android plan of creating stable interfaces for drivers improves this but it's to soon to tell.

The n900 was from an actual Linux era. Versus Android which was a sideways port of Danger's mobile OS onto Linux, & unlike Maemo ignoring the entire Linux userland/freedesktop stack.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by r0fl » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 10:30 PM UTC

jimnotgym wrote: post #162

Wow HN. I really interesting new product comes out, a really interesting turn in the right to repair debate, and a return of a famous brand. And instead of talking about that, there are a series of threads about how an iphone costing 5 times as much and is famously difficult to repair is a better phone than this. Get a grip! Can we not have a least one conversation without Apple fanbois wading in?

Why would I care about a DIY repair phone? Am I to assume that all of a sudden I’m a phone repair expert and when I take my phone apart I’ll be able to put it together perfectly and keep the same waterproof levels as a manufacturer would?

This is at best an out of the box marketing gimmick by Nokia to sell some phones.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by BLKNSLVR » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 10:30 PM UTC

LinuxBender wrote: post #324

t0bia_s wrote: post #199

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10000mAh? Does it fit to your pocket? Btw degoogling phone almost double battery life.

It fits in a velcro holster, my jacket pocket and in my snow monosuit.

> snow monosuit

Just makes me picture Maggie Simpson

But to be actually on topic, supporting custom ROMs in order to extricate android from Google is my top priority when buying a phone.

If this phone gets lineageOS support then it may be the perfect phone.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by topspin » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 10:30 PM UTC

riku_iki wrote: post #295

solarkraft wrote: post #35

I'm happy about this! But, while repairability is always great, a major (maybe the biggest) part of phone obsolescence is due to software. 2 or 3 years of updates are a joke, Apple does up to 8. The best hope here is that this phone's repairability will attract a software hacking community to provide inofficial updates, but what a terrible thing to have to rely on. Besides: Phones by other brands like Pocophone are p…

> The real next innovation for an Android device maker will be providing at least 5 years of updates pixels starting with pixel 6 have 5 years of updates.

> pixels starting with pixel 6 have 5 years of updates.

Nice. Didn't know this. Got a 7 pro shortly after it came out; spectrum had a $400 discount on them.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by abliefern » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 10:31 PM UTC

nevi-me wrote: post #334

morsch wrote: post #270

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Here's the security bulletin for January: https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-01-01 How do I determine which, if any, of these is fixed via the Play store update mechanism?

The bulletin specifies only CVE-2023-20912 as being fixed by Play Store. https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-01-01...

Wow. So "the majority of security issues are patched immediately and silently through the play store" seems catastrophically incorrect.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by SergeAx » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 10:31 PM UTC

jimnotgym wrote: post #162

Wow HN. I really interesting new product comes out, a really interesting turn in the right to repair debate, and a return of a famous brand. And instead of talking about that, there are a series of threads about how an iphone costing 5 times as much and is famously difficult to repair is a better phone than this. Get a grip! Can we not have a least one conversation without Apple fanbois wading in?

Apple fanboys really need to convince themselves that their phones are better, otherwise it's an existential threat for their egos.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by stodor89 » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 10:32 PM UTC

jimnotgym wrote: post #162

Wow HN. I really interesting new product comes out, a really interesting turn in the right to repair debate, and a return of a famous brand. And instead of talking about that, there are a series of threads about how an iphone costing 5 times as much and is famously difficult to repair is a better phone than this. Get a grip! Can we not have a least one conversation without Apple fanbois wading in?

No, it seems we can't. Welcome to 2023!

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 10:32 PM UTC

r0fl wrote: post #364

jimnotgym wrote: post #162

Wow HN. I really interesting new product comes out, a really interesting turn in the right to repair debate, and a return of a famous brand. And instead of talking about that, there are a series of threads about how an iphone costing 5 times as much and is famously difficult to repair is a better phone than this. Get a grip! Can we not have a least one conversation without Apple fanbois wading in?

Why would I care about a DIY repair phone? Am I to assume that all of a sudden I’m a phone repair expert and when I take my phone apart I’ll be able to put it together perfectly and keep the same waterproof levels as a manufacturer would? This is at best an out of the box marketing gimmick by Nokia to sell some phones.

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