Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone • Hacker News Board

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by carlmr » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 9:58 PM UTC

crabbone wrote: post #320

leoedin wrote: post #210

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I think I've had 3 phones in the time my wife has had 1 iPhone 7. Every time I buy a new phone I'm like "but Android is cheaper", but I'm fairly sure the lifetime cost of "phone" is in her favour at this point. I think my next phone will be an iPhone.

I only ever had one smartphone, and that's Samsung Galaxy S7 (bought in the year it hit the market: 2016). I will have to replace it very soon though because my banking app is going to stop supporting the Android version it has, and Samsung doesn't provide upgrades. But... it's not really Android's fault anymore than this is Samsung's fault. The phone itself is in a good condition. The battery holds the charge for al…

>Whichever this is, it shows that it's not really a problem of Android

It kind of is though because Android allows for phone brands to tweak the stock OS and stop updating even if the OS itself is getting updates.

If Android forced all manufacturers to use the stock OS with updates, the phone could still get updates, no?

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by Gigachad » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 9:58 PM UTC

uallo wrote: post #323

tomComb wrote: post #248

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That just refers to the security updates that require a full firmware update. I think people get focussed on that because they’re used to the iPhone where that’s only way to fix security issues. On android, the majority of security issues are patched immediately and silently through the play store, so that continues pretty much for the life of the phone. In other words, updates are much less important on android than…

> so that continues pretty much for the life of the phone. I'm on a Pixel 1 with Android 10. Last security update it got was from October 2019 which is about three years after the phone was introduced. Is this supposed to be different on newer Android versions?

It isn’t. The situation is so dire on Android right now

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by psydvl » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 10:00 PM UTC

riku_iki wrote: post #295

solarkraft wrote: post #35

I'm happy about this! But, while repairability is always great, a major (maybe the biggest) part of phone obsolescence is due to software. 2 or 3 years of updates are a joke, Apple does up to 8. The best hope here is that this phone's repairability will attract a software hacking community to provide inofficial updates, but what a terrible thing to have to rely on. Besides: Phones by other brands like Pocophone are p…

> The real next innovation for an Android device maker will be providing at least 5 years of updates pixels starting with pixel 6 have 5 years of updates.

Oneplus 11 ships with same support (5 years android updates + 4 years security updates)

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by hot_gril » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 10:03 PM UTC

xigency wrote: post #184

solarkraft wrote: post #35

I'm happy about this! But, while repairability is always great, a major (maybe the biggest) part of phone obsolescence is due to software. 2 or 3 years of updates are a joke, Apple does up to 8. The best hope here is that this phone's repairability will attract a software hacking community to provide inofficial updates, but what a terrible thing to have to rely on. Besides: Phones by other brands like Pocophone are p…

> 2 or 3 years of updates are a joke, Apple does up to 8. Saying an iPhone can handle 8 generations of iOS updates is a bigger joke. I’m a cheapskate that somehow uses Apple phones, and I’ll let you know after 2-3 major OS updates the performance is always severely diminished.

I felt this way with the 6 because it got downthrottled into the ditch with iOS-whatever, but my 5 (which I actually got after the 6 cause it, uh, accidentally broke) was a perfect phone its entire support life. I even kept it past Apple support limits and only left it when my cell carrier stopped working with it entirely.

I think with newer ones, the OS updates are fine.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by zamnos » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 10:07 PM UTC

izacus wrote: post #298

jimnotgym wrote: post #162

Wow HN. I really interesting new product comes out, a really interesting turn in the right to repair debate, and a return of a famous brand. And instead of talking about that, there are a series of threads about how an iphone costing 5 times as much and is famously difficult to repair is a better phone than this. Get a grip! Can we not have a least one conversation without Apple fanbois wading in?

I've noticed that modern Americans really really really dispise choice on the market. If it differs even a little bit from the average, watered down "majority" choice, it's immediately attacked and disparaged. You need to be part of the ingroup, have the same brands in your hand and on your body. Like the 1984 Apple ad - everyone with gray iphone, gray MacBook and AirPods in their ears.

Why do I have such a different impression? I go to a supermarket and see 30 different kinds of toothpaste, 50 kinds of chips, and a dozen different kinds of alcoholic seltzer waters in the liquor aisle. The paradox of choice is tiring!

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by amaranth » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 10:08 PM UTC

idonotknowwhy wrote: post #312

dmix wrote: post #225

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You can't complain about availability of phones (or any electronics) while being in the US. Try living anywhere else like Canada.

Or Australia. I end up importing phones here and missing out on some features our shitty telcos don't provide unless you have a white listed phone

In the US your phone has to be on the whitelist to even get service these days. They're using VoLTE as an excuse to lock the networks down again.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by scns » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 10:08 PM UTC

pizza234 wrote: post #301

gman83 wrote: post #235

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FYI you can get LineageOS 20 (Android 13) for your Pixel 2 with the latest updates: https://www.xda-developers.com/lineageos-20-google-pixel-2-a...

I used to be a fan of LineageOS, but after a few devices, I've found that it's not very robust (for different reasons). There's a bug where location services don't work (and require a fix). Then my latest phone where I've installed reboots randomly one or more times per day. Both bugs are reported, and affect other users. The camera app of LineageOS 19 was terrible, and wasn't able to handle the two cameras of one ph…

There is this [0]. Gonna fire up Android Studio tomorrow and try to get the release build going.

0: https://github.com/SebaUbuntu/android_packages_apps_Aperture

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by naijaboiler » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 10:08 PM UTC

arcanemachiner wrote: post #302

whitemary wrote: post #201

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Apple actually lost a lawsuit over this, but of course it didn't matter because the capitalist government theatre is controlled by the ruling class protecting their own, so Apple still came out on top.

The iPhone 4 slowdown came several years before "batterygate".

i remember my initial ipad2. Yeah new ipads came out, updated, and the old one became too slow to use after the updates. I hated apple products for a long time after that. that was 2013

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by IceWreck » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 10:13 PM UTC

solarkraft wrote: post #35

I'm happy about this! But, while repairability is always great, a major (maybe the biggest) part of phone obsolescence is due to software. 2 or 3 years of updates are a joke, Apple does up to 8. The best hope here is that this phone's repairability will attract a software hacking community to provide inofficial updates, but what a terrible thing to have to rely on. Besides: Phones by other brands like Pocophone are p…

Its a 150 EUR phone, what more do you expect >

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by Nextgrid » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 10:15 PM UTC

qwytw wrote: post #236

whitemary wrote: post #201

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Apple actually lost a lawsuit over this, but of course it didn't matter because the capitalist government theatre is controlled by the ruling class protecting their own, so Apple still came out on top.

IIRC due to the degrading/faulty(?) batteries they had to choose between random shutdowns and slowing down the phone. I'm not sure I agree with the way they handled this but I don't think they did that because of "corporate greed".

I wouldn't be so generous. Slowing down the phone without any notification is a major problem. Had they added a notification this was happening, there would be no problems at all.

Of course, adding such a notification would've prompted many users to seek out battery replacements (and a lot of non-Apple-authorized repair shops would've been happy to meet this demand) and give a new life to their devices, where as silently slowing down their device would prompt those users to eventually upgrade once they get tired of it.