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Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by moremetadata »

mlinksva wrote: post #286
gman83 wrote: post #235

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FYI you can get LineageOS 20 (Android 13) for your Pixel 2 with the latest updates: https://www.xda-developers.com/lineageos-20-google-pixel-2-a...

That's defnitely a big benefit. I used LineageOS (whatever it was called then) to extend the life of my Galaxy S, but at that time not having a working phone for awhile was a lot less disruptive to life and work, so I didn't attempt this time. But once I'm 100% migrated to my new Pixel 7, I'll certainly put an alternative ROM on the Pixel 2 to extend its non-phone life!

>I used LineageOS (whatever it was called then)

It used to be called CyanogenMod and it was easily hacked by the UK authority's.

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Post by Klonoar »

jimnotgym wrote: post #203
Klonoar wrote: post #191

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So just to be clear: you want to discuss a smartphone, in a vacuum, completely ignoring what - barring a few select Android phones - effectively sets the bar for the industry. It’s not “fanbois”, it’s just reality. HN isn’t the one that needs to get a grip here.

People could compare the Nokia to comparable phones perhaps? There are other repairable phones available, although I don't recall any this cheap? In other news my Ford is not as comfortable as your Rolls Royce, and my Sekonda watch is not going to last like your Rolex....

>People could compare the Nokia to comparable phones perhaps?

They could! And in fact, do.

OP, however, is complaining about the existence of the Apple comparison, which is simply unavoidable. I'm just responding that instead of complaining about it, move on to the discussions that float your boat.

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Post by dzhiurgis »

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #279
Klonoar wrote: post #191

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So just to be clear: you want to discuss a smartphone, in a vacuum, completely ignoring what - barring a few select Android phones - effectively sets the bar for the industry. It’s not “fanbois”, it’s just reality. HN isn’t the one that needs to get a grip here.

Since when has Apple ever made an easily repairable budget anything? This is a niche in which Apple is non existent.

Since last year their phones have best ranking https://www.ifixit.com/smartphone-repairability

(Yes Fairphone have excellent score too, but they are basically ancient)

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Post by e63f67dd-065b »

mikkom wrote: post #230
lopatin wrote: post #223

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I just assumed the repair kit is for anything the Nokia is dropped on rather than the phone itself.

It's worth noting that even if this phone is called "Nokia" it doesn't have much to do with original Nokia phones. It's a new company that bought the rights to use the Nokia brand name.

There’s a funny story here, HMD Global just so happens to have very similar execs and employees as the former Nokia, some of whom work in the HQ that just so happens to be right across from the old Nokia HQ. The company is very much a spiritual successor to Nokia.

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Post by riku_iki »

solarkraft wrote: post #35

I'm happy about this! But, while repairability is always great, a major (maybe the biggest) part of phone obsolescence is due to software. 2 or 3 years of updates are a joke, Apple does up to 8. The best hope here is that this phone's repairability will attract a software hacking community to provide inofficial updates, but what a terrible thing to have to rely on. Besides: Phones by other brands like Pocophone are p…

> The real next innovation for an Android device maker will be providing at least 5 years of updates

pixels starting with pixel 6 have 5 years of updates.

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Post by Klonoar »

happymellon wrote: post #217
wardedVibe wrote: post #183

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Why do none of the good phone options get sold in the US??!? E.g. Sony has one of the few modern smartphones in a reasonable size (xperia 10II (might be the dumbest name though)), and way too few of the bands work in the American market.

Didn't the US decide to use different frequencies to everyone else?

I feel like I recall reading that getting some certification here is more annoying than it should be, which means some devices are just straight up not brought here - curious if anyone knows if this is true or not.

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Post by Groxx »

tastysandwich wrote: post #251

> It runs Android 12 and will be supported for three years of monthly security updates and two major Android version upgrades. They couldn't get Android 13 in time? Seeing as it's already a major version behind, and 14 will be released in August 2023, you're really only getting another six months of software support (plus security fixes). I'm not an Android dev but my understanding is that a lot of work has been put…

Given how much of an absolute mess 12 was for me on a Pixel phone, and the massive delays and pushback from other manufacturers, I would kinda have hoped they would use 11 or jump to 13.

12 was easily the least stable Android I've ever used, and that's including three years of constant beta (sometimes nightly) use while I did Android development.

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Post by izacus »

jimnotgym wrote: post #162

Wow HN. I really interesting new product comes out, a really interesting turn in the right to repair debate, and a return of a famous brand. And instead of talking about that, there are a series of threads about how an iphone costing 5 times as much and is famously difficult to repair is a better phone than this. Get a grip! Can we not have a least one conversation without Apple fanbois wading in?

I've noticed that modern Americans really really really dispise choice on the market. If it differs even a little bit from the average, watered down "majority" choice, it's immediately attacked and disparaged. You need to be part of the ingroup, have the same brands in your hand and on your body. Like the 1984 Apple ad - everyone with gray iphone, gray MacBook and AirPods in their ears.

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Post by charcircuit »

PaulKeeble wrote: post #20

5 years for parts is better than nothing but its still a lot of e-waste. Ideally given screens and ports and batteries are something that have been around for decades and will be around for decades more in similar ways it would be nice to extend this out longer. With progress on CPUs/GPUs slowing we do need to start to consider much longer usable life times for computer products and having obsolence built in at 5 yea…

>but its still a lot of e-waste

Phones are a tiny amount of waste. Trying to get a few extra years out of one is a microoptimization in reducing one's waste output.

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #293
mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #279

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Since when has Apple ever made an easily repairable budget anything? This is a niche in which Apple is non existent.

Since last year their phones have best ranking https://www.ifixit.com/smartphone-repairability (Yes Fairphone have excellent score too, but they are basically ancient)

Not sure how you read that as the best ranking. Only among flagship phones, which is a market where repairability is largely an afterthought.

Fairphone is a repairable budget phone. You can't compare budget to flagship on performance or modernity of the hardware. That makes no sense.

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