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Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by Klonoar »

jimnotgym wrote: post #162

Wow HN. I really interesting new product comes out, a really interesting turn in the right to repair debate, and a return of a famous brand. And instead of talking about that, there are a series of threads about how an iphone costing 5 times as much and is famously difficult to repair is a better phone than this. Get a grip! Can we not have a least one conversation without Apple fanbois wading in?

So just to be clear: you want to discuss a smartphone, in a vacuum, completely ignoring what - barring a few select Android phones - effectively sets the bar for the industry.

It’s not “fanbois”, it’s just reality. HN isn’t the one that needs to get a grip here.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by michaelteter »

rg111 wrote: post #80
poisonborz wrote: post #50

Why is it so hard to add a removeable back cover to have swappable battery? Seemingly battery replacement can still be done "in 5 minutes" but this still makes pop-out/on the road battery swapping unpractical. https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/nokia-g22

Only forced obsoleting by the company. No other reasons exist. I and tens of millions other people used removable back cover phones for years before the sealed phone became the norm. Edit: Can anyone explain why they think that this is wrong? I am genuinely interested. I really used user-removable battery phones for close to a decade. I found no issues.

> Can anyone explain why they think that this is wrong?

I suspect it is this: > Only forced obsoleting by the company. No other reasons exist.

While companies do want you to buy the newest version every year or two, it is more likely that cost-benefit analysis tells them to build the way they build; they know they must release newer better phones periodically because the competition will do this also. But to support older phones has a cost, and at some point those old phones don't generate enough revenue to justify the cost of supporting them.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by IshKebab »

kyriakos wrote: post #178
piperswe wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The HTML/JS engine does get updated, it's contained in a component called "Android System WebView" on the Play Store: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.and...

A big benefit of Android, its modular and bits and pieces can be updated independently. Part of the reason iPhones require to have long term OS support is the fact that their browser would otherwise be stuck at an old version.

You have it backwards. In the early days Android didn't have any components in the Play Store and Apple still provided updates for much much longer than Android manufacturers.

Google moved the web browser component to the Play Store because Android's OS updates are so bad. They had no choice but to do it.

Apple could do it too if they wanted to but they don't need to because they actually provide OS updates for a decent period.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by luckyshot »

mikejarema wrote: post #141

Why doesn't Nokia allow me to preorder or sign up to be notified when the device is released/available in my market? A search for g22 on nokia.com yields zero (!!) results. https://www.nokia.com/search/global/en/G22 I'll be shopping for a new phone soon and am interested in this model. But wow, they've missed a huge opportunity to capture that interest and let me know when I can buy!

I can get notified with this link (in spanish, though): https://www.nokia.com/phones/es_es/nokia-g-22/buy?sku=101S06...

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by rustymonday »

mlinksva wrote: post #186
jimnotgym wrote: post #162

Wow HN. I really interesting new product comes out, a really interesting turn in the right to repair debate, and a return of a famous brand. And instead of talking about that, there are a series of threads about how an iphone costing 5 times as much and is famously difficult to repair is a better phone than this. Get a grip! Can we not have a least one conversation without Apple fanbois wading in?

The positive (and there's plenty of criticism; search and read) point being made about iphone is that it has a longer support duration. This seems highly complementary to repairability -- both seem important to maximize useful life -- and thus an entirely fair point, no? I'm recently on my 4th Android smartphone in 12 years (Galaxy S, Moto G, Pixel 2, Pixel 7) and would be still on the Pixel 2 if not for lack of upda…

I had an iPhone 4 many years ago, and Apple nerfed it with software updates when the iPhone 6 came out. These updates significantly slowed down the phone, pretty much forcing me to get a new one after only two years. So I bought an Android and never looked back.

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Post by bmitc »

mlinksva wrote: post #186
jimnotgym wrote: post #162

Wow HN. I really interesting new product comes out, a really interesting turn in the right to repair debate, and a return of a famous brand. And instead of talking about that, there are a series of threads about how an iphone costing 5 times as much and is famously difficult to repair is a better phone than this. Get a grip! Can we not have a least one conversation without Apple fanbois wading in?

The positive (and there's plenty of criticism; search and read) point being made about iphone is that it has a longer support duration. This seems highly complementary to repairability -- both seem important to maximize useful life -- and thus an entirely fair point, no? I'm recently on my 4th Android smartphone in 12 years (Galaxy S, Moto G, Pixel 2, Pixel 7) and would be still on the Pixel 2 if not for lack of upda…

> The positive point being made about iphone is that it has a longer support duration.

How so? Apple iPhones have one year warranties, are notoriously difficult to repair, and Apple charges an arm and a leg to "repair" them (usually by basically forcing you to do a trade-in and buy a new phone). Apple products will also quickly degrade over iOS upgrades.

For example, my iPad Air 2 can barely browse the web with no other apps open.

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Post by sheeparepayed »

jimnotgym wrote: post #162

Wow HN. I really interesting new product comes out, a really interesting turn in the right to repair debate, and a return of a famous brand. And instead of talking about that, there are a series of threads about how an iphone costing 5 times as much and is famously difficult to repair is a better phone than this. Get a grip! Can we not have a least one conversation without Apple fanbois wading in?

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Post by t0bia_s »

LinuxBender wrote: post #2

Nice! I've been waiting for something like the FairPhone to show up in the US. A sweet bonus would be if they also provided and fully supported de-googled image or at least had an option to download the de-googled image after accepting some disclaimers. Or perhaps even set up a public community for phone hackers to help them build said image i.e. crowdsource the work . An optional large shell for a bigger battery wou…

10000mAh? Does it fit to your pocket?

Btw degoogling phone almost double battery life.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by kyriakos »

IshKebab wrote: post #193
kyriakos wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A big benefit of Android, its modular and bits and pieces can be updated independently. Part of the reason iPhones require to have long term OS support is the fact that their browser would otherwise be stuck at an old version.

You have it backwards. In the early days Android didn't have any components in the Play Store and Apple still provided updates for much much longer than Android manufacturers. Google moved the web browser component to the Play Store because Android's OS updates are so bad. They had no choice but to do it. Apple could do it too if they wanted to but they don't need to because they actually provide OS updates for a dec…

Regardless of the history though, now, Chrome (+ webview) and Firefox on Android receive at least one update per month (sometimes more frequently). Thats a plus.
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